Posted on Feb 4, 2015
Should We Watch the ISIS Video of the Jordanian Pilot?
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Should we as Americans view the video of the Jordanian pilot being executed by ISIS? Many news media organizations are refusing to show it due to its sheer brutality and disturbing nature. They argue that it helps to spread ISIS's propaganda message of terror and fear. Other news organizations have shown pictures from the video and have provided links (with warnings about the graphic content) to the video in full. They argue that it is necessary to understand the magnitude of the incident. I have my own thoughts on this ethical dilemma, but I want to hear what the RallyPoint community thinks about this. Should the video be shown in the media? Would you watch it? Is it spreading terrorist propaganda or understanding the enemy?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
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I really find this question hard to reply to. I truly believe people have a right to see the reality of this type of cruelty and terror that IS is spreading because it is too easy just to say this is what happened, but I wonder just how many can handle it. I think maybe it goes back to the old saying, " a picture is worth a thousand words".
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The reason I believe I this important for people to see is because the American people are becoming too insulated from the events of 9/11 and forgetting what true terror looks like and what we're fighting.
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What is your precise question? Is watching the video unethical? Is publishing/distributing the video unethical? I don't see how watching this particular video is unethical; watching, e.g., child pornography would be unethical. I don't think distributing the video is unethical either. Forcing, coercing, or defrauding someone to watch it is unethical.
I think you ask a second question, namely "Is the video relevant to geopolitics and/or the anti-D'aesh movement?" The video exists and is widespread. Acting like it doesn't exist does not harm D'aesh. Using it as a tool to divide these backbirths from the civilized people they claim to represent and defend is the important next step.
If a picture is worth a mere thousand words, then what is the worth of this video? One may not need graphic depictions to understand the nature and depth of particular evils, but they sure do help get the message out. This premise is fundamental to advertising, art, military psychological operations, etc.
I think you ask a second question, namely "Is the video relevant to geopolitics and/or the anti-D'aesh movement?" The video exists and is widespread. Acting like it doesn't exist does not harm D'aesh. Using it as a tool to divide these backbirths from the civilized people they claim to represent and defend is the important next step.
If a picture is worth a mere thousand words, then what is the worth of this video? One may not need graphic depictions to understand the nature and depth of particular evils, but they sure do help get the message out. This premise is fundamental to advertising, art, military psychological operations, etc.
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CW4 Ray Montano
I agree with you, in that the title is not right. There is no connection with the video and ethical behavior. The questions; however, to cover all the possibilities. In my opinion, the best part of this video is that it has resulted in a noticeable condemnation in the Muslim world and this is important.
Many of my friends are the opinion that the answer to this problem is to "destroy them," not ate not all that clear on who "them" are. If they had their "druthers" they would carpet bomb a large portion of the middle east. While this would obviously lessen the problem, it would be a temporary fix. Terrorism is an intent and you can't kill intent with a bullet.
Well, at least this is my humble position.
Many of my friends are the opinion that the answer to this problem is to "destroy them," not ate not all that clear on who "them" are. If they had their "druthers" they would carpet bomb a large portion of the middle east. While this would obviously lessen the problem, it would be a temporary fix. Terrorism is an intent and you can't kill intent with a bullet.
Well, at least this is my humble position.
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LTC (Join to see)
Bingo, CW4 Ray Montano. You win a propaganda war by dividing the enemy from their target audience. That is why all the vitriol against Muslims (of which there is a considerable, and disturbing, amount on RallyPoint) is counter-productive. It serves only to drive D'aesh's audience away from us and toward D'aesh. This portends a huge failure to grasp strategy.
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LTC (Join to see), CW4 Ray Montano per your input, I decided to edit the title of this thread to better reflect the point I was trying to get at. You are correct that there is nothing specifically illegal, immoral or unethical about viewing the video. Clearly the act portrayed in it is all three, but MAJ Kile brings up an excellent point about the "vitrol against Muslims" being counter-productive and driving D'aesh's audience closer to their "cause" (if you can actually call it that). And honestly, sir, I think the huge failure to grasp strategy extends beyond ourselves to many of our allies as well. Thanks for your comments!
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I watched the video, but was mostly interested in the first 16 minutes. I did watch the entire thing. I do not believe that the media should make the decision for us. We, the viewer, should be able to decide to turn away or turn it off. This has little merit, when argued as a method to spread propaganda, as (a) the images work just as well and (b) there are many internet sites that have posted the full video.
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Yes we should, we have seen what they dish out to non con combatants. The world need to see what the evil men, killing children, women, non fighting men and christens , wrong answer.
Now King of Jordon is in action, about time, it's a bitch a good man has to die in a way no man should ever die, as POW, . Why is not rest the world angered, the Arab world should be. We should fully support Jordanian's lead, and hit them harder with Jordan's help, so that we do not duplicate target. I hope if get a chance nuke em, but I drought our country would do .
Now King of Jordon is in action, about time, it's a bitch a good man has to die in a way no man should ever die, as POW, . Why is not rest the world angered, the Arab world should be. We should fully support Jordanian's lead, and hit them harder with Jordan's help, so that we do not duplicate target. I hope if get a chance nuke em, but I drought our country would do .
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I am not sure. I did have the chance to see the one of the first beheading back in 02 and it just made myself and those watching very angry.
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I personally think that the video should be left to the individual to decide whether they want to watch or not. The second and third order effects that occurs after watching is the responsibility of the end user. That is purpose of living in a free country. If we want to start censoring things, then I might as well live in the Middle East or Asia.
There is a propaganda message associated with the video, however the video depicts reality of our world. How can we as leaders be expected to execute and make sound judgment when we are consistently sheltered to the grotesque realities of war and evil. Got it, some say that they can understand the evil without watching but can you really? It's not personal until you wafch and experience the array of horrid emotions associated with this video. I find that many in our country choose not to watch the video as an excuse to deny the existence of the suffering of others. "Out of sight out of mind" mentality.
The link to the video is here: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/glenn-beck-the-world-needs-to-see-the-depravity-of-the-islamic-state-graphic/
You can make your own decision. After watching this myself, it strengthened my resolve and belief in our nation's military.
There is a propaganda message associated with the video, however the video depicts reality of our world. How can we as leaders be expected to execute and make sound judgment when we are consistently sheltered to the grotesque realities of war and evil. Got it, some say that they can understand the evil without watching but can you really? It's not personal until you wafch and experience the array of horrid emotions associated with this video. I find that many in our country choose not to watch the video as an excuse to deny the existence of the suffering of others. "Out of sight out of mind" mentality.
The link to the video is here: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/glenn-beck-the-world-needs-to-see-the-depravity-of-the-islamic-state-graphic/
You can make your own decision. After watching this myself, it strengthened my resolve and belief in our nation's military.
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If you can stomach it, and IF you haven't ever seen an execution like this, or one where someone is beheaded, then yes, you should watch - just once.
Why do I say this: Because YOU, ME, and EVERYONE out there needs to know exactly what evil is. This is evil. Beheading someone is evil. Not that murdering someone with a gun, or stabbing them to death isn't evil, but this is evil on a whole new level - one that we all need to understand.
If you find yourself unmoved or find yourself actually thinking it is either funny, or perhaps thinking that someone deserves to die this way, then you need to immediately go check yourself in to a mental health facility and get examined for any of a number of issues. You should NOT be able to watch any beheading video, or this one, and come away without being disgusted and enraged, that people would do this to any other living thing.
Why do I say this: Because YOU, ME, and EVERYONE out there needs to know exactly what evil is. This is evil. Beheading someone is evil. Not that murdering someone with a gun, or stabbing them to death isn't evil, but this is evil on a whole new level - one that we all need to understand.
If you find yourself unmoved or find yourself actually thinking it is either funny, or perhaps thinking that someone deserves to die this way, then you need to immediately go check yourself in to a mental health facility and get examined for any of a number of issues. You should NOT be able to watch any beheading video, or this one, and come away without being disgusted and enraged, that people would do this to any other living thing.
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I don't think it's a question of ethics, if you want to watch, then fine. Reading through the comments, the underlying theme is, "I don't need to watch it to know the world is messed up. " Fine, got it, most of us on here have seen enough in our lifetimes to not watch another sick video, but I do believe that most Americans have no clue how barbaric people can really be and how cowed a population can be made. We have been living in a relatively civilized state for so long that most people just don't understand what's on the other side and how quickly things can turn bad. So to me, people that have not been exposed to this, or live in a bubble of E Entertainment and ESPN, should see it to wake them up. This kind of stuff has happened since we began walking upright, so I believe it is important for people to watch, it's not pandering to these animals, just making your self aware.
Now don't get me wrong, my son sure isn't going to be watching this, but one day he is going to need to know how crappy the world is and to be vigilant. Knowing who these people are and what their motivations are is important, they are putting it out there for the whole world to see and daring anyone to stop them.
Now don't get me wrong, my son sure isn't going to be watching this, but one day he is going to need to know how crappy the world is and to be vigilant. Knowing who these people are and what their motivations are is important, they are putting it out there for the whole world to see and daring anyone to stop them.
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