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<p>This thread has gone way off course, so I am re-addressing the wording, making this thread as neutral as possible. I hope this can engage open conversation, and less of an hostile environment. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>What are your views on Edward Snowden being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize? Other candiates in high regard&nbsp;are the Pope, and Putin. This year a record 278 people have been nominated, so it is no ones easy grab this year, outside looking in.</p>
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SPC Smith, maybe you have heard of a document called a Non-Disclosure Agreement, if not look it up before you get in trouble thinking that you are doing the right thing, BLUF, you don't divulge our secrets to other countries, it's called treason, not doing the right thing
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SPC Christopher Smith
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Yes I have heard of this document, from the tone in the word choice this seems very personal to you, I feel like you are accusing me of something. Admiration does not mean I am foolish enough to blindly follow. If you do believe I've done some wrong please connect with me, I'll give you all the information you need to report me if you please, trust me though it would be a waste of time.
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SPC Smith, I am not accusing you of anything, I personally don't think that you are out there doing something wrong, that was not my intent with my comment

 

I work in the Intel field, what I wanted to point out is that if you have a clearance, and you divulge that information to another country without permission, the penalties are very severe, why do you think snowden does not want to return to the United States?

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SPC Christopher Smith
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SFC Dominguez, I understand where you are coming from, I have family with clearances at various levels, I also have a clearance, and understand that I'm not really within ear shot of anyone to fix anything I see, so it is best to not look for what I don't want to unsee. I'm not saying Snowden did not commit a crime, but he had the balls to do something I myself never would, I admire his gall, but I'm also not stupid enough to replicate his efforts.
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Please revisit the details as the topic and details have changed.
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He got nominated on the PR surrounding his antics. 
If the world knew why he cut and run (and I doubt it has anything to do with anything but self-preservation), they'd have shot any plane carrying him out of the air.
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<p>I think&nbsp;he should be shot in the groin region.&nbsp; To bad Alfred Nobel is not around to personally present this dubious honor.&nbsp; But if you look at the criteria that Mr. Nobel placed in his will Edward Snowden does meet it.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."&nbsp; </p><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/AlfredNobel_adjusted.jpg/170px-AlfredNobel_adjusted.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_peace_prize" target="_blank">Nobel Peace Prize - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">The Nobel Peace Prize (Norwegian and Swedish: Nobels fredspris) is one of the five Nobel Prizes created by the Swedish industrialist, inventor, and armaments manufacturer Alfred Nobel, along with the ...</div></div><div style="clear: both;"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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PFC Mullins, that was for the people who are on the committee to decide.  Not you or me and since he is basically our boss, I try to keep my opinions on the POTUS to myself.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Well, he DID pull us out of Iraq, so one can make the argument that there are a lot of Iraqi women and children who are NOT dying as a result of collateral damage as a result of that decision.
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Pulling out of Iraq should be treated like religiion.  We shouldn't try debating it because the s__t is hitting the fan again. 
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I am not disputing that, all I am saying is that the violence is picking up steam.
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My two cents:

I believe the Nobel Peace Prize to be a farce and meaningless any more, so I could care less either way. Obama, for example was awarded it without having done anything to earn it. That is not a sleight on him, as he did not award it to himself. There was and is no reason it should have been awarded to him, however. None. There are hundreds of others who should have had top consideration for actually DOING, or having had done something.

Regarding Edward Snowden's actions:

He may have violated law, however in doing so, he uncovered NUMEROUS law violations being perpetrated on We the People and our allies abroad, never mind our enemies. He definitely deserves positive recognition for exposing 'Big Brother'. But a Nobel Peace Prize? No, I don't believe so. Treasonous? I disagree. He did not steal classified information and turn it over to an enemy embodiment. He turned it over to the media who, in turn, released it to the world. Comes to mind, "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to hide."

IF the information he took and shared was limited SPECIFICALLY to actions surrounding our enemies, I would have a far different opinion, ending with a noose. BUT he did not.

That said, if it is "treason" he should be tried for, and using the definition laid out for "treason", then We the People are officially Enemies of the State, as We the People benefitted from the information he shared openly. Our Allies, then, are also 'enemies'. Our own military is the 'enemy'. Our children. Our parents. Our brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles, cousins and neighbors. He exposed the truth, and EVERY oath-keeping service member and Vet should be pissed right the hell off that the CiC and the chain of command and ALL the rest of the related parties were VIOLATING the Constitution, treaties, pacts and agreements, as well as the sovereignty of the individual citizen of the United States of America.

Our White House and Congress, over the last 5 years, have done more to aid and abet our enemies than Edward Snowden has.

Why don't we look for and find treason where it lives...
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SPC Christopher Smith
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You have my vote, that was powerful. Thank you for sharing your ideals.
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SPC Smith,

I am going to actually answer your question rather than debating the merits of what Snowden did. Although the Norwegian Nobel Committee lists no criteria or qualification for the award, other than being nominated by "any person who meets the nomination criteria", an internet search for "qualifications for the Nobel Peace Prize" gives a large number of definitions that fall into the "advanced the cause of peace on a global scale".

I don't see ANY advancement of peace in what Snowden did! Furthermore, as it states on the Nobel Nomination page (http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/), there is a 50 year secrecy rule on the names of both nominees and their nominators. The fact that Snowden's nomination and the identity of the nominators are already widely known tells me the whole thing is a political publicity stunt.
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Snowden didn't do anything to promote world peace. If anything, his revelations have created much more dissention and disrupted international relations particularly among long standing allies. There were more appropriate ways to deal with the abuses of the system he reportedly witnessed. Leaking secret intelligence information and then fleeing to China wasn't it.


As to Putin, his efforts with Syria were largely hollow talk since the US has rendered itself impotent on the world stage. It required little energy or sincerity, and the resolution in place didn't substantially change the posture of either side. Yes, Syria says it's destroying its weapons, but do we really know?


SPC Smith, I would offer that this is an interesting topic and certainly demonstrates a keen curiosity about world events. Keep thinking out loud. These are the type of tough questions that should be asked. Good catch.

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Ed Snowden has little chance of receiving a legitimate Nobel Peace Prize. His actions don't promote 'peace.' Exposure of 'wrongdoing' doesn't promote peace in any way. If someone came along and solved all of Venezuela's and Ukraine's problems in the next week, that guy deserves a peace prize. 

Personal view, the guy needs to be tried. The best he could've done is use the 1st Amendment in a state with a good shield law. Or rather, his best case scenario. Of course, he shouldn't have done it anyways...
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SPC Christopher Smith
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SSG Groves,

 

I'd like to shake the hand of the person who solves all of Venezuela's and Ukraine's issues, and I'd actually go to a church and pray that they were planning to do the same for us next. Yes, that person would deserve the NPP and much more.

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<p>SPC Christopher</p><p><br></p><p>I appreciate the fact that you do not serve blindly and that you have courage&nbsp;to execute your rights of free speech. I do however believe that when someone like this boogerhead who was pissed because he got passed over for a pay raise because of the sequester and intentionally knowingly release information that can lead to the deaths of individuals like yourself who wear the uniform of our country and are prepared to go in harms way to defend the value that our president and nation stand for then he is wrong and a danger to us all.</p><p><br></p>
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SPC Christopher Smith
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1SG Clifton, thank you for taking the time to read my other commints before assuming I was a blindly inspired fan boy of Edward Snowden. I understand that he potentially gave up determental information, I am not saying he is a hero, or that he did not commit a crime of high magnitude. I admire his courage, and partly his foolishness to try going out big. It would be the same as saying one admires Hitler as a leader, he was a great leader, the cause he lead was horrible, but you cannot take away the fact that he was a great leader. I think many of the people here do not understand why I admire him, and that is my fault.
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1SG Kelly Clifton
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<p>SPC Christopher</p><p><br></p><p>We do not have to agree to respect each others opinions we&nbsp; all have these inalienable rights as Americans. I am proud of you for speaking up for what you believe. And yes I do understand. my grandfather fought in WWII for Germany. &nbsp;I may not agree with what he did but I love and admire him for standing for what he believed.&nbsp; After all I believe everyone of us on this site who has served their country are brothers and sisters this may be an antiquated view nonetheless I will continue to feel so. And when anybody puts my family in harms way I will not agree with what he/she has done, however I see the point where it did take courage to speak out even if I think he is a boogerhead.</p><p><br></p><p>Sincerely </p><p><br></p><p>1SG C&nbsp;</p><p><br></p>
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Snowden is a traitor. I like to believe that the people that support him are just either ignorant of what information he actually leaked, or to the fact that it put countless lives in danger.<br>
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<p>While I do believe some of what Snowden discovered should have been brought to light for the citizens of the US, he went about it all in the wrong way, the context and methods he used to gather the information and what he did after the fact were not the actions of a whistleblower, but were those of someone with alternative incentives, while I can understand the fear of reprisal and potential of being taken out by our own government black ops that we as military know exist, especially those in the intelligence sectors, he gathered information that had nothing to do with what his initial claims that were being done against US citizens and many of our allies. while I can say what was/is going thru his mind, to me as an outside observer, I would think that he thought of how he could make money and gain celebrity with this information and how to get it out, once he realized the time bomb he was in possession of, he fled to numerous locations seeking protection from a government he now feared repercussions from and prosecution. He is currently buried deep inside Russia, even with opportunities to go to other countries for sanctuary because he knows he will most likely never make it to any of those other countries either alive or before being captured, Russia will keep him alive long enough to utilize the propaganda and information he has provided and once that time passes he will silently disappear since there will be no way to verify that he is still alive and kicking as the Russians will never allow any information or his exact location be known outside of the Kremlin.</p><p><br></p><p>It is amusing to see him alongside of Putin as a nominee, I think it shows that the Nobel committee is going with celebrity and publicity more than actual accomplishments or contributions to the world for their nominations and selection of winners, even the POTUS when he won was not doing anything noteworthy to be nominated or even win, it came down to the fact that he was the 1st African-American President of the US being the prime reason he won, he was a 1st term Senator elected to the WH with no real world experience in politics that became the face of change in US politics which has nothing to do with world peace, but he wins the Nobel Peace prize while being in charge of dual wars across the globe. And the statement that someone else made about him getting us out of those wars is ludicrous, the drawdown in Iraq had been in motion for a few years before Mr. Obama came into office, so he inherited that, and as far as OEF all he did was transfer the troops that were in Iraq over to Afghanistan as he increased the numbers, and 5 years after he took office, he is still trying to come up with a feasible exit strategy in Afghan that won't cause massive US casualties and total collapse of what we have done while there, all the while continuing to pour more money into the money pit it has become via corruption and diversion of where the funds are really needed. So yes the NPP has become a total joke of nomination and winner selection it is more related to winning an Oscar that actually performing in the manner as the guidelines portray the nominee and eventual winner should be.</p>
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SFC Baber, always able to give a great example without bashing the host of the forum. I appreciate giving the less PC version of your insight. I agree fully with what you are saying, thank you for being able to sum it up so well.
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