Posted on Oct 31, 2016
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Note: My friend Carlos is in the Coast Guard and sent me this question last night. He said he's not on RP due to OPSEC (whatever), so he asked me to ask this on RP on his behalf. He is pretty hell bent on getting this Soldier punished. Anyway, let him know your thoughts on the below.

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I’m in the Coast Guard and have been active duty for 6 years. I’m stationed in Hawaii right now. I was up by Schofield Barracks and went on base there, and went to go shop for a few things at the Commissary. I was waiting in line for some fresh meat and there were 2 Army soldiers also in line, in front of me. They were looking at me and saying things to each other. It looked like they were laughing at me. I heard one of them refer to me as a “POG” which is a slang term I am familiar with from social media stuff. I said to them “Excuse me, I heard what you just said, and I feel disrespected.” I was just trying to stick up for myself. One of the soldiers then squared up to me and said “Yeah, I did call you a POG. Because you are a POG. You need to up and leave here – this is an Army Commissary.” A few other people in line heard this and started laughing. I felt so angry that I just left the building.

I know the soldier’s last name from his top, and I would recognize his face. What actions can I take to report him to his chain of command? What other advice do you have?
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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While the army soldiers were disrespectful and childish, I don't think this rises to the level of disciplinary action beyond a counseling. Advice to Carlos: Rub against Army and Marines more often...it makes your skin grow thicker. You are a POG. So am I. I'm happy to NOT be a grunt, but so what? And it's NOT an Army commissary, it's a Defense Commissary (DeCA). Remind the grunt (non-POG) we're on the same team, and he should save his BS for the bad guys.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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My apologies, CPT Bob Coleman. Looking more carefully, I realize that your extremely similar comment was only 2 years ago and was (I think) directed at Sgt Charles Welling instead of SSG Robert Webster. But the bluster and habit of typing "warrior" in all-caps was pretty much the same, and SSG Robert Webster's last comment was 4 years ago.
That said, feel encouraged to go do some digging and share even one occasion when General Patton referred to soldiers as warriors. I've found several when he shared sentiments more like this: "...It is a proud privilege to be a soldier – a good soldier … [with] discipline, self-respect, pride in his unit and his country, a high sense of duty and obligation to comrades and to his superiors, and a self confidence born of demonstrated ability.”
I'll side with General Patton and consider soldiers (and Marines) to be much greater than mere warriors.
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
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1LT William Clardy - Capitalizing "WARRIORS" was the thing to do in General Officer briefings, had been for years, when I gave my last briefing to ODCSOPS a little over two years ago, before retiring completely. Remember those briefings? Remember the "cloud" graphics in concept briefings? The "parthenon" graphics in support briefings? Capitalizing WARRIORS was just an accepted part of Pentagon culture. Sorry if you don't like it.
Good words from Patton and spot on. Patton epitomizes the spirit of the WARRIOR. Oh, wait, I just checked your profile. You did REMF stuff from a "comfie" office. I'm not surprised that someone who says "comfie" doesn't have a very good grasp of the PROFESSION OF ARMS.
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1LT William Clardy
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Since I no longer do briefings (or meetings) at echelons above reality, and haven't for years, I just learned a new bit of trivia. Thank you for sharing.
I know my opinions on the ever-more popular stylistic habit of making things Important By Capitalization matters very little to the profound thinkers who have dictated soldiers are now Soldiers, except when they're Warfighters or WARRIORS, or that black men are now Black men, but I'll keep putting it out there in case the up-and-coming generations feel like simplifying things so it's possible to selectively emphasize instead of genuflecting to every faction wanting verbal affirmation.
I'm also sorry that my use of the word "comfie" causes you to jump to such dire conclusions about my understanding of what it means to be a soldier. If you didn't notice the "See 7 more" under my military experience, then you missed the fact that you and I left active duty the same year, or that, while you were commanding an artillery battery in Babenhausen, I was running border ops out of a Cav camp 150 miles east of you. Even if you had, there's also no way you could know that I started skimming through the Green Books about the time you started USMAPS. Or that, for sentimental reasons, I chose "honorary" retirement during the RIFs of the '90s, when that was offered as an alternative to straight discharge - better to be a lowly lieutenant emeritus than to say goodbye to all that. So there is a remote chance I might know a little something about something.
I will share one final, hopefully humorous, note reflecting the roots of my disdain for the fixation on who's a "warrior" or a "warfighter" - or a REMF. Au revoir, CPT Bob Coleman.
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
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1LT William Clardy - I find it very telling that you classify General Officer Briefings as "echelons above reality". The folks that actually run the military did their time checking dipsticks and running squad lanes but, unlike you, their world didnt begin and end there. They moved on to matters of higher consequence. I also find it very telling that in a world where Iran builds nukes to kill us, terrorists are a real threat, China expands its influence and challenges us daily, and there are so many more important things to concentrate on... your world seems to revolve around capitalization. Well, ok, I guess. You don't seem to have the perspective to offer much of value here... and that's ok. Be well and BEAT NAVY!
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SSG Retired!!!
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If anyone is offended by being called a POG, they seriously need to get thicker skin.
My advise, come up with some clever comebacks or carry some kleenex around.
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SMSgt Bob Wilson
SMSgt Bob Wilson
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GROW UP SSG!!! Insults are not called for in any situation. SSG, be a leader, not a winier.
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
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SMSgt Bob Wilson - A sense of humor goes a long way in deflecting anger, teasing, and bad feelings in general. Perhaps if more people tried it there would less animosity between people in general and more acceptance in differences. I go for humor first if there is no blood to mop up and generally there will not be any blood to mop up. I knew NCOs and officers who wore chips and transferred those chips to the shoulders of those who served beneath them. There is a time and a place to be harass and a time and a place to use humor. first. The wise know when to make the judgement call. This was a case to try humor and advise the kid to learn to laugh.
I pulled the E9 slot for 6 months and did it very successfully in my section in a major NATO command. The person who had left the slot was a very effective leader and had taught me a lot. Judgement is the most important tool an NCO has.
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PFC John Longan
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SPC Darnella Thompson
SPC Darnella Thompson
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Right. Commence roast session cause now I have talk about you and ya momma. Lol Call Bob Sagat. Get him on the horn for the roast lol
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
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"Make me"? Challenge them to a duel and raise your dukes. Have them call the MPs and escort you out of the place. Make a big stinkie, kick them in the gonads, laugh in their face and tell them you have a contagious disease spread through body fluids. Beg them to hit you. Call "incoming" and run in while they figure out what that means. Call mom, she'll fix it.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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Paul Langtry - And here I thought you Aussies were a tough lot.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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Col Rebecca Lorraine - AMEN! Political correctness is a detriment to society AND especially the military. I remember an article from the 70's in either Newsweek or Time that noted that, "This new political correct mindset," (or words to that effect) will seriously hurt social values. Indeed it has, replacing values with "feel good" bull crap with too many willing to play (and I mean PLAY) the role of "victim."
In today's military, if a soldier cusses in front of the opposite sex, they can and often are, "counselled," and heaven forbid if a service member hurts the feelings of another's sexual preference - they can and ARE identified as a "Toxic Leader," rendering them NON-promotable.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
Col Rebecca Lorraine
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Thanks, I never imagined it would be that funny, but I’ve received a few boos too. SSG Bill McCoy
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Paul Langtry
Paul Langtry
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SSG Bill McCoy - Gday Staff SGT thanks for the 5 points. In my Army, we dont have to prove our courage or toughness by bullying others. My predecessors in the Australian Defence Force have proved our toughness to the United State Armed Forces at many places and times (Le Hamel 1918, New Guninea 1942, Kapyong 1951, Long Tan 1966, the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan. I will make you a deal. You dont generalise about the Defence Forces of my country and I wont stereotype the Armed Forces of your country. PAR ONERI :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Allen_(soldier)
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