Posted on Oct 7, 2019
Soldiers aren’t allowed to carry umbrellas when in OCP, but can they stand under them?
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I’m currently in Army ROTC. We had a PT test this morning in the rain, which is cool and all. But afterwards, walking back to my dorm and passing people with their umbrellas made me a little envious. It got me thinking, for fun, is there a possible loophole to that rule? I don’t intend on actually using it anytime soon, but I am curious.
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Perhaps. But, If you try to be clever and find loopholes, that is what article 133 and 134 are for.
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Those were very interesting reads, sir. I had no idea those existed. Although, I do f use loopholes or cut corners when it comes to the Army. I just can’t help but find those loopholes, would never use them.
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I always carried an umbrella... and also wore Marine Corps rain coats in the Army and Air Force... Got challenged just twice years apart..The soaking wet Majors met the dry CPL ... most of the time they never got around to issue wet weather gear..
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AR 670-1
a. Type. The umbrella is an optional purchase item.
b. Description. The umbrella is black, plain, with no logos or designs, and of a commercial design. c. When worn. Soldiers may carry and use an umbrella, only during inclement weather, when wearing the service (Class A and Class B), dress, mess, and evening mess uniforms. Umbrellas are not authorized in formations or when wearing field or utility uniforms. Commanders may further restrict Soldiers’ use of umbrellas as appropriate. See DA Pam 670–1
NOW STOP YOUR WHINING. GO TRAIN.
a. Type. The umbrella is an optional purchase item.
b. Description. The umbrella is black, plain, with no logos or designs, and of a commercial design. c. When worn. Soldiers may carry and use an umbrella, only during inclement weather, when wearing the service (Class A and Class B), dress, mess, and evening mess uniforms. Umbrellas are not authorized in formations or when wearing field or utility uniforms. Commanders may further restrict Soldiers’ use of umbrellas as appropriate. See DA Pam 670–1
NOW STOP YOUR WHINING. GO TRAIN.
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With all due respect, there was absolutely no whining in this post and your answer did not address my question. I’m already aware of what the regulation states, I was asking about what it doesn’t state.
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Are you a special kind of cadet? What it doesn't state? Its clear CADET. And the moment you try to look for a loophole, you are whining. You can't be serious. Please, please for the love of all Gods, let you get to be my PL when you get assigned to a unit.
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This statement takes me back to thinking about something no one really does anymore. The army values. We all have are values, some great and some not, but we're in the army and those values that are given to us really do mean something if you try to live and serve by them. Some people or "soldiers" who dont have enough discipline to just stand in the rain may not have enough discipline to overcome a struggle such as leading soldiers or ensuring that they can pull your 6 and security on deployments. Any ones life "struggles" only makes you stronger than those that have not. So lace up your boots, look deeper than just what you see and maybe go to ranger school and understand what it's like to suck with the best of them.
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Maybe the Army uses umbrellas but in the Marines (59-63) we didn't. If you were supposed to have an umbrella they would issue you one. Semper Fi.
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From reading your previous comments on being a programmer. Perhaps the USAF may be more your ally. Last I checked we are authorized to use an umbrella, as long as it is black or dark blue I believe and cant have any logos.
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Haha, my roommate (AFROTC) also tried to get me to switch over. I, however, am too invested in the Army, even if that entails bearing the cold rain.
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