Posted on Jun 15, 2015
The National Security Agency is America's premiere signals collection authority and has deterred 60 terrorist attacks. Cease privacy rights?
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The National Security Agency is America's premiere signals collection authority and has effectively deterred more than 60 terrorist attacks upon the continental United States. Some american businesses have consented to monitoring for the sake of protections provided by the National Security Agency. Shouldn't American citizens do the same? NSA’s mission is to help protect national security by providing policy makers and military commanders with the intelligence information they need to perform their jobs. https://youtu.be/bPbwDMZlu1w
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“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” - Benjamin Franklin
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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MAJ (Join to see)
The why is if you are suspected of terrorist activities they can read all you emails and texts for the last 5 years see who you have been contacting with and build a detailed network on linkages while secretly monitoring your future communications. Particularly with ISIS and their internet activities, the NSA spying is a very powerful tool to identify and track terrorists and terror plots to our citizens. Unfortunately there is also the power to erode our freedoms and liberty, some of the Snowden files are particularly scary with what the Federal Government has been able to do with the data. In premise it's an attack on what makes our country great, individual liberty and a Government of the people, not a Government above the people. There is probably very little risk to our freedom and lives from this program, just like the 1920 registration of Jews and weapons was in Germany, no one saw the harm that could have come from it, until 1939 and by that time it was too late. It wasn't the people enacting the legislation, it was the people that followed.
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PO1 John Miller
MSG (Join to see), it's called the Fourth Amendment.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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SPC (Join to see)
Or like what happened during the Red Scare, when many were falsely accused of being communists. Albeit, they did get some. It still shiwed where the abuse of political power was leading, in our own country!
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Some frame of reference for that 60 would help... This month? this year? Since the Patriot Act was signed? In the life of the agency?
What was the estimated numbers of lives saved through domestic surveillance?
With nearly 60,000 violent deaths per year in the US and an additional 30,000 from traffic accidents... 60 events over 15 years isn't even a drop in the bucket. And that's even if each of those events was on the scale of the Oklahoma City Bombing (168 dead, 680 wounded).
The NSA domestic surveillance is a huge price to pay for something still less dangerous than crossing the street.
What was the estimated numbers of lives saved through domestic surveillance?
With nearly 60,000 violent deaths per year in the US and an additional 30,000 from traffic accidents... 60 events over 15 years isn't even a drop in the bucket. And that's even if each of those events was on the scale of the Oklahoma City Bombing (168 dead, 680 wounded).
The NSA domestic surveillance is a huge price to pay for something still less dangerous than crossing the street.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
MSG (Join to see),
The issue is the 4th amendment is in total violation, because everyone of those actions you just mentioned is monitored and accessible by an arbitrary judge. Innocent conversations become patterns of conspiracy. Your travel patterns everyday, any deviation from the norm, for whatever reason, raising a red flag. Your entire network monitored, guilt by association. Your wife and daughter are now having someone looking through their selfies because your brother friended a Saudi National on facebook for "mafia Wars" or "farmville". The 4th amendment allows for you to expect a degree of freedom and candor with friends and family that aren't subject to a "morality" police, and now a total stranger is more intimate with your day to day activities and the type of lingerie your wife wears. You think about every morale skype and email, every bank transaction, every internet purchase being sifted through by a potential Edward Snowden or "Chelsea" Manning and you tell me what the personal cost is.
As for raw numbers... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center $2 billion for the facility, Another $2 billion for hardware, $40 million a year in electricity, never mind maintenance and personnel.
The issue is the 4th amendment is in total violation, because everyone of those actions you just mentioned is monitored and accessible by an arbitrary judge. Innocent conversations become patterns of conspiracy. Your travel patterns everyday, any deviation from the norm, for whatever reason, raising a red flag. Your entire network monitored, guilt by association. Your wife and daughter are now having someone looking through their selfies because your brother friended a Saudi National on facebook for "mafia Wars" or "farmville". The 4th amendment allows for you to expect a degree of freedom and candor with friends and family that aren't subject to a "morality" police, and now a total stranger is more intimate with your day to day activities and the type of lingerie your wife wears. You think about every morale skype and email, every bank transaction, every internet purchase being sifted through by a potential Edward Snowden or "Chelsea" Manning and you tell me what the personal cost is.
As for raw numbers... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center $2 billion for the facility, Another $2 billion for hardware, $40 million a year in electricity, never mind maintenance and personnel.
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PO1 John Miller
MSG (Join to see), for your reference:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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SCPO Sally Puddy
So if I park at the end of your driveway every night in an unmarked van, which of your freedoms have been taken away SSG? Would you mind? You can still call, email and talk to who you want. Be seeing you soon.
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CPT Jack Durish
MSG (Join to see) and SCPO Sally Puddy wonder "What's the big deal?" We're protecting you and all we ask is that you surrender a little of your precious privacy. You should trust us. Why? Our intentions are good. Well, my friends, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The data you collect and discard as harmless may be used by another whose intentions aren't as good as yours. Yes, I'm sorry that it's come to this, but I no longer trust the federal government. It has convinced me that its agenda is not consistent with mine and my Constitution.
Ultimately, I have to ask, why should I trust the federal government to fix a problem (terrorism) in my home, when they have failed miserably to fix it before it got here?
Ultimately, I have to ask, why should I trust the federal government to fix a problem (terrorism) in my home, when they have failed miserably to fix it before it got here?
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Just because you work for them does not mean I will just automatically start liking what they do. I admire your loyalty to your workplace, I do not advocate your workplace monitoring me though. The 4th amendment is there for a reason.
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PO1 John Miller
Amen SSG Trevor S.. In case anyone isn't familiar with the Fourth Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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