Posted on Jul 24, 2015
The North Carolina National Guard approach. Would you rather have an MP instead of arming a recruiter as an option?
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The North Carolina took a different approach with the security of their recruiting stations. Instead of arming their recruiters they sent armed Military Police soldiers instead. I am not trying to be bias but I think this is the best means of securing a recruiting station. They are already trained in Law Enforcement Operations and escalation of force. They are the most qualified soldier that could accomplish this mission by far. Most of the recruiters that are serving in various offices may not be well trained in small arms. We found this out with the Navy Recruiter shooting him while handling his personal weapon.
Benefits of having an armed National Guard Soldier is that they can be sworn by the jurisdiction which they are in with a mutual aid agreement. It would give them additional abilities to deal with civilians. This could only happen with National Guard Troops. I don't believe that Federal Troops could do this due to their Federal status.
But at the location in the Cary Towne Mall there is also other military recruiting offices near by. Could this be a detail that the National Guard could pick up to provide security for these offices nation wide. I don't know if a National Guard that doesn't have MPs or a training area for them. In some states, like Vermont, you don't have much a military presence at all. But even there they have MPs. Would this be a good option and an addition mission for the Guard.
Benefits of having an armed National Guard Soldier is that they can be sworn by the jurisdiction which they are in with a mutual aid agreement. It would give them additional abilities to deal with civilians. This could only happen with National Guard Troops. I don't believe that Federal Troops could do this due to their Federal status.
But at the location in the Cary Towne Mall there is also other military recruiting offices near by. Could this be a detail that the National Guard could pick up to provide security for these offices nation wide. I don't know if a National Guard that doesn't have MPs or a training area for them. In some states, like Vermont, you don't have much a military presence at all. But even there they have MPs. Would this be a good option and an addition mission for the Guard.
Army National Guard
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North Carolina ARNG
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From: Commander, Navy Reserve Forces Command [ [login to see] .com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:18 AM
To: Bishop, Richard K CIV USSOCOM HQ
Subject: Master-at-Arms (MA) VOLUNTEERS NEEDED IMMEDIATELY!
CNRFC is soliciting MA volunteers (E5/6) to provide 45 days (ADT) of armed sentry watchstander duty at 53 NOSCs commencing 17 Aug. CNRFC is seeking MA volunteers (E5/6) for 1 year (ADSW) of armed sentry watchstander duty, commencing 1 Oct 15, at 70 NOSCs. CNRFC is seeking MA volunteers (E6/7) for 1 year (ADSW) of armed security oversight duty at the 6 RCC staffs and CNRFC HQ. There is a strong likelihood that your duty can be performed at your local NOSC if your NOSC is not located on a base/installation. Volunteers must be either MA "A" school graduates or have completed the Security Reaction Force - Basic (SRFB) course, have a current 9mm semi-annual weapons qualification, and have a current OC spray qualification.
CNRFC is also seeking volunteers (any rate) who hold the 0812 NEC and can perform the function of armorers for the same time periods above.
To volunteer, send an email to LCDR Steve Moreus (CNRFC N33) at [login to see] , indicating whether you are volunteering for 45 days of ADT commencing 17 Aug, or 1 year of ADSW commencing 1 Oct, or both. Due date is 31 July. LCDR Moreus's phone number is [login to see] if you have questions.
We need volunteers!
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:18 AM
To: Bishop, Richard K CIV USSOCOM HQ
Subject: Master-at-Arms (MA) VOLUNTEERS NEEDED IMMEDIATELY!
CNRFC is soliciting MA volunteers (E5/6) to provide 45 days (ADT) of armed sentry watchstander duty at 53 NOSCs commencing 17 Aug. CNRFC is seeking MA volunteers (E5/6) for 1 year (ADSW) of armed sentry watchstander duty, commencing 1 Oct 15, at 70 NOSCs. CNRFC is seeking MA volunteers (E6/7) for 1 year (ADSW) of armed security oversight duty at the 6 RCC staffs and CNRFC HQ. There is a strong likelihood that your duty can be performed at your local NOSC if your NOSC is not located on a base/installation. Volunteers must be either MA "A" school graduates or have completed the Security Reaction Force - Basic (SRFB) course, have a current 9mm semi-annual weapons qualification, and have a current OC spray qualification.
CNRFC is also seeking volunteers (any rate) who hold the 0812 NEC and can perform the function of armorers for the same time periods above.
To volunteer, send an email to LCDR Steve Moreus (CNRFC N33) at [login to see] , indicating whether you are volunteering for 45 days of ADT commencing 17 Aug, or 1 year of ADSW commencing 1 Oct, or both. Due date is 31 July. LCDR Moreus's phone number is [login to see] if you have questions.
We need volunteers!
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Military Police training on Law & Order operations is very minimal these days since it has shifted to a combat support and detainee ops role. Most MPs now a days don't even have actual L&O experience either. Most troops get training in using escalation of force with non-lethals, lasers, and etc. prior to use deadly force as ROE in theater. The Army had developed Law & Order Detachments in reserve components that would constantly train for that L&O operations both CONUS and OCONUS. Since they're very few of these small detachments that wouldn't make sense either to use. I feel NCOs and Officers should be allowed to carry to protect themselves. Another person commented about making a law similar to HR218 LEOSA for law enforcement (including Military LEOs) for the whole military would make better sense. LEOSA requires members to successful complete a satisfactory probation time in service prior to qualifying for the ID card. The must also qualify yearly on a handgun as well (Both active & retired). This would just make more sense. Commanders could designate certain people to be armed always since obviously when your training it would be to risky for everyone to be armed. However, these soldiers could atleast lock up a firearm in their vehicle which currently they cannot so they can atleast protect themselves to and from duty or drill. As of right now they can't even protect themselves en route. Which is only MPs are armed other shit bags will just target then in transit.
If we can trust our military members to be armed 24/7 in theater now on and off FOBs why can't we trust them to protect themselves CONUS? Letting them protect themselves isn't that same thing as granting them LEOs. Also I think they should be able to use personally owned firearms as well since they won't be allowed to take home a M9 after duty. I say even having an approved personal weapon list would even be ok stating what caliber and manufacturer/models.
Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in...
If we can trust our military members to be armed 24/7 in theater now on and off FOBs why can't we trust them to protect themselves CONUS? Letting them protect themselves isn't that same thing as granting them LEOs. Also I think they should be able to use personally owned firearms as well since they won't be allowed to take home a M9 after duty. I say even having an approved personal weapon list would even be ok stating what caliber and manufacturer/models.
Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in...
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caveat to my response; I also believe in my heart of hearts that arming at least the SNCO at recruiting offices and or the OIC is a good option coupled with MP's.
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Yes. I think that is a wonderful idea. Not only does that provide security and solid augmentation to local law enforcement, but it is also a great chance at PR and possibly a source of employment for soldiers who may not have a civilian job at the moment.
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I think they need to revoke former President Clinton's Executive Order banning concealed carry by Soldiers who have a permit while on military installations. Civilians have more privileges for personal protection than Servicemen/women, and that's ridiculous.
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I think this is the best idea, too. It will serve two important points: protection for the recruiters, who can now focus on their jobs, and it would negate the need (and probably desire) for armed (untrained) civilians that are cropping up.
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Two problems. One, you've created a target for the bad guys to shoot first. Two, now recruiters have someone else to hide their 'work' from.
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That is a Great Idea, however the Armed Forces, does not have the resources to provide Secuity to the recruiting offices, and comply with there Military mission requirement, however make the part of the service member training . Whe are trained in the safe use of Firarms. Safety should be our country main concern.
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This doesn't seem like a realistic approach. How long would they be able to keep these people on orders. And putting out one soldier will only bring an escalation of force in the form or multiple assailants. It only seems logical for the "enemy" to start attacking in numbers. Why not coordinate with local law enforcement, why not use an asset that has knowledge of the area and its people and dare I say it probably better command and control than one mp
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All I would say is that it is better than nothing. I would say that National Guard are more familiar with the Army. We live in the Area. I am in the NCNG and I have been to that mall no less than a thousand times. I am not even joking.
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Roger sir, but can we say that about the mp guarding that post? I can say from experience the mp units in my state are spread way apart and I'm sure not all soliders are familiar with the areas that most recruiting locations are
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In 2015 America the days of national guard only being primarly used as state organization are gone. The NG is more like the reserve then ever. Always deploying for the national govt. The MP branch in the army is a relatively small componet. I believe that guard/reserve and guard units should be used at all recruiting offices across the country. You could have AGR mp units and use federal techs. Who says a drill has to be on saturday and sunday. Why not do a drill a 4 day drill Monday through Thursday each month. I am not opposed to arming the recruiters but what happens when a recruiter has to go to a school to recruit or other places that are gun free. Are we going to change legislation? I doubt we will. Who watches that recuiters weapon when he leaves the office. Do we buy a safe for each recruiter to store if? Let's say there is 100 recuiting centers in a state. Your going to need 200 MPs per station. So technically 3 companies could cover all each office in a state. I don't think that is impossible to expand to
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