Posted on Aug 24, 2017
There is Only One Measuring Stick to Veteran Status
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I find it very sad when there are some veterans who say that they don’t feel like veterans - that they don’t feel as if they earned the title because of a lack of certain experiences, awards, or schools. I would like to come forward right now and explain why this entire idea is absolute bullshit.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
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Outfreakinstanding article. I almost had to go to blows with my oldest daughters middle school teacher years ago. She asked the kids who's parents were Veterans. My daughter raised her hand and then was asked what war did I fight in. My daughter honestly said that I did not see combat as I served between ODS and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. She is then berated in front of everyone that unless I served in combat I was not "really" a Veteran. Needless to say she came home crying when she told me this story. Some phone calls and letters wound up with my family and I in a room with the teacher, the principal and the chairman of the school board to have the teacher give my daughter and I a personal apology.
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
Georgia also have Veteran Driver's license, Veteran Plate,DAV Plate and (Free) Retired Military plate.
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SFC Jim Ruether
We have to pay for our veteran plates in Minnesota where our governor believes we are just another special interest group looking for a handout! Can ya believe it? Why I oughta! To the moon governor!
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SN Stephen Browning
SFC Jim Ruether - That is outrageous, you gave yourself to your country to do with you what it may, and your governor, most likely, never did a days work in his life. We are all brothers and sisters. In Texas I have no idea about veteran plates, I am a DV so my plates are just 7 dollars a year for one car, of course, the other is full price.
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SFC John La Rue
That teacher doesn't understand what she was saying and shouldn't be saying anything let alone still teaching. That apologie should have been given in front of the entire school perhaps the entire school system. That teacher doesn't have the right to teach.
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Nicely put. This is a conversation I've had with a lot of my Junior Marines. I get it. We're all trained killers ready to kick down doors and fight the enemy. So it's pretty easy for young troops to not see the value in their day to day occupation.
My MOS most people look at like it's a joke. They think all I do is reset computer passwords. They don't realize I'm one of the authorities that helps designate an aircraft safe to fly. Every time I hear of an aircraft going down, I hold my breath and wonder if it's one of mine. I wonder if I made a mistake in my calculations. Did I miss something?
I tell my Marines that every time an aircraft takes off and lands safely, that's a victory for us. Because pilots and other Marines lives are in our hands.
Sometimes that makes them appreciate our contribution to the fight at large. Other times they'd still rather kick down doors.
My MOS most people look at like it's a joke. They think all I do is reset computer passwords. They don't realize I'm one of the authorities that helps designate an aircraft safe to fly. Every time I hear of an aircraft going down, I hold my breath and wonder if it's one of mine. I wonder if I made a mistake in my calculations. Did I miss something?
I tell my Marines that every time an aircraft takes off and lands safely, that's a victory for us. Because pilots and other Marines lives are in our hands.
Sometimes that makes them appreciate our contribution to the fight at large. Other times they'd still rather kick down doors.
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
I feel your pain I was a mechanic in Vietnam. My shop maintained crash fire vehicles,fuel servicing vehicles, cargo handling equipment M113 tracks. I heard many times oh you were/are just a mechanic. I always said without me and the others you wouldn't get your CAS,bombing runs or cargo airlift and the list goes on. Every specialty is a vital link in mission accomplishment. Try working or staying in the boonies without food or medics when you are hit or sick. A well oiled machine is what I use to describe the US Military, every man and woman is vital whether in theater or not they are VETERANS.
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LCpl Emanuel W.
I was given one of the worse (and most picked on and berated) MOS's of the Corps; 1181: Fabric Repairman. We got called everything, to include "Stitch Bitch", "Sew Hoe", being told we "don't rate". Yet, these same people would have the nerve to wake us up in the middle of the night to fix a hole/tear in their tent because it's leaking on them.
Without us, their 782 Gear would be in constant disrepair, GP & CP tents, 5-ton & Humvee covers, and Humvee soft doors would be constantly un-serviceable. This would have cost the Corps too much money to un-necessarily replace these. We've gone as far as resharpening sewing needles until they break/shatter, to cutback on costs.
Some people are surprised such an MOS existed and understand the cost effectiveness of having an MOS in the military. Others scoff at the fact that this is what I did for 3 1/2 years. They didn't care that if it came down to it (nearly happened twice), I'd be deployed in a heartbeat.
Without us, their 782 Gear would be in constant disrepair, GP & CP tents, 5-ton & Humvee covers, and Humvee soft doors would be constantly un-serviceable. This would have cost the Corps too much money to un-necessarily replace these. We've gone as far as resharpening sewing needles until they break/shatter, to cutback on costs.
Some people are surprised such an MOS existed and understand the cost effectiveness of having an MOS in the military. Others scoff at the fact that this is what I did for 3 1/2 years. They didn't care that if it came down to it (nearly happened twice), I'd be deployed in a heartbeat.
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LT Daniel Bell, USN(ret)
I had an Marine as a neighbor once. He and I agreed that everyone in the military is taught at some point how to use a weapon be it a rifle, 9mm, .45 colt, etc when in boot camp. We are/were all trained to be able to defend ourselves and others. I recall standing many a topside watch on my sub with a 45 strapped to my hip and I was trained and ready to use it if necessary. Thank God that never came but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what service you were in, you received this type of training. My Marine neighbor told me about his experiences during the Tet Offensive while he was stationed at Danang and he related that it didn't matter what service you were in, nor if you were a cook, wrench turner or paper pusher, you were armed and fighting back! When SHTF, we are all in/on the same boat!
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Well said. I am troubled when I hear those that discount themselves because they served in peace time. We are all equal especially in today's world of an all volunteer military. Anyone who joins has the possibility of laying down their lives for this nation. That is good enough for me.
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