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A lot of yall aren't reading the full (Actual) question -

"what are your thoughts on those who hold their belt buckle or waistline?"
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CSM Richard StCyr
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I struggled for 30 years not to put my hands in my pockets. To this day I catch myself standing at a slack variation of parade rest because that's the only way I kept from doing it. So if someone has to hook a thumb in their belt loop, I have empathy for them.
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MSG Justin Kuchar
MSG Justin Kuchar
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PFC (Join to see) Your argument doesn't quite make sense but I looked and it had changed from
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SSgt Eric Swanson
SSgt Eric Swanson
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Hands in pockets make your uniform look slovenly. Also puts you unable to either defend or attack immediately.
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CSM Richard StCyr
CSM Richard StCyr
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SSgt Eric Swanson - The conversation has gone full circle. That was the original premise explained for not putting hands in pockets, and the one that makes the best sense..
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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Honestly, I've never seen the problem with hands in the pockets...
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SSgt Eric Swanson
SSgt Eric Swanson
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I've been out of the Corps since 1981. My hands still don't go in my pockets.
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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It’s not a problem if you wear stars on your shoulder boards
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
MAJ Ronnie Reams
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The Gen in dress blues looks as if he is giving instruction. Way back when as a Sgt, I went to instructor school to become an 05B4H at radio school at Jackson. We were taught to put our unused hand in our pocket so as not to distract students.
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CPL Mark Kirkpatrick
CPL Mark Kirkpatrick
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SSgt Eric Swanson - I still don't either. I do hook my thumbs on my duty belt. Hoever, I am no longer active. I am a Corrections Officer and crossing your arms is the CO equivalent. Make you vulnerable to be held from behind.
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1SG Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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If I see one more AR 670-1 article, and people associating uniform standards with discipline, I'm going to lose it. The MOST disciplined (and lethal!) soldiers in the world (SEALS, Delta, ect) don't abide by 670-1. Discipline is acheived by enforcing standards, but when a "standard" is arbitrary and mind numbingly stupid, all it does is erode morale and hurt retention rates.

I'm far more concerned with soldiers being able to do their jobs in a proficient manner than being the 670-1 police. And if you're doing your job as a leader correctly, they shouldn't have time to sit around with hands in their pockets anyways.
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SGT Joseph Jones
SGT Joseph Jones
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First Sgt. It starts with the little things getting private’s to follow the standard and not question why can’t I. The time when the uniform reg was written the uniform was worn and pressed differently the creases would be broken and then it was wrinkled. The hands in pocket look like people are just standing around F&$ing off. Rangers are the most disciplined in the world. The rangers abide by standards. It’s a rule you have a chance to enforce often and it gets in young enlisted men’s and women’s heads that they can’t and shouldn’t question orders and standards just do it. It also sends signal that you are uncomfortable and nervous. It’s a subconscious thing it’s your mind making you feel like you are “hiding” it makes you a little less nervous but when you are supposed to be in control or looked at as the authority figure it looks like you can be pushed around. No matter how silly the standard we do it for a reason. Just like when we are cleaning weapons and Top walks in and someone yells at ease we all have to stand and top of course says “Carry on” that’s a silly one to a lot of people but it is still done.
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SGT Joseph Jones
SGT Joseph Jones
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The uniform board didn’t write the AR670-1 and the pockets are ordered to put keys in and chapStick other things you need. The REG actually even said you couldn’t carry anything in your pockets that caused a bulge. The reason was because the uniform was pressed and had creases and if you put your hands and big things in there it messes the look of it up. It looks sloppy. Remember we didn’t always have ACUs and BDUs. and how we wore them. The subconscious mind which thinks primitively believes that putting your hands in your pockets is a good way to hide and avoid a situation. If someone always puts his hands in his pockets he might lacks self confidence and may be uncomfortable around people. Others can pick up on that and it looks “weak” and you’re supposed to be an authority figure but you look like a puppy tucking his head. It just doesn’t look good at all. There is a time and place and I do believe the reg was written with things like the field and garrison in mind. Knowing that soldiers in the field may be a little more “lax” than in garrison. Similar to being able to work in your brown shirt and take your BDU/ACU top off. It’s not a hard fast standard it’s like the sleeves being rolled up or pants bloused. It’s up to your commander when you aren’t in garrison. The reason why we can’t is probably a good reason when it was written and things may have changed but for now it’s a reg and should be followed without question. The beard reg didn’t make sense to people for years even saying it looks professional now and it’s acceptable these days. The beard reg isn’t because it looks bad or unprofessional or anything like that it was written in when the Fear of chemical war fare was real and the ProMask was being used and carried. The promask can’t seal around the edges of the face with a full beard or any facial hair in the areas it comes in contact with the face. The solution is everyone shaves. Safety first. No hair may not be that big of a GAp but a small amount of chem. Could do you in. And if a large % of us have beards all it takes is one good hit to kill or clean out a large percentage of our force instantly.
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SGT Joseph Jones
SGT Joseph Jones
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1st Sgt. Haspels the Seals don’t have an AR(Army regulations) they have their own regs. Delta does abide by their own uniform standards. It’s because EVERY regulation in uniform wear and appearance is commander discretion because each and every unit has safety reasons they can’t wear certain things and the commander wants a specific uniform worn for a specific duty and a Brig. Gen at the Garrison level doesn’t know what Charlie Co 1/79 is doing today so the Capt Or Lt Col for the Battalion has to add to the regs. They can always add to but never take away from the regs. Delta doesn’t wear everything exact for safety and tactical reasons when they are in a tactical situation but they do when they are on post and they are going to be working in garrison. It burns me up to watch a movie and it looks like the soldiers and sailors are just wearing the uniform like a 10th grade high school kid wears his comfortable clothes.
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1SG (Join to see) true story, I did have a SR NCO that walked around checking socks, hands in pockets, shave jobs (if they had to shave a second time), etc. I understand following the regs and it makes sense yet this cannot be the sole job of the NCO to monitor this and point out all these issues. Literally stopped us from working to inspect and pull others from the jobsite just to point out more and more. There are soldiers that in training and combat environments get rush from pointing out others.
I'm a firm believer in what you are says 1SG, just wish I had more like-minded leaders in my command.
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