Posted on Nov 1, 2018
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TLE for PTDY for house hunting after completion of PCS after arrival at gaining PDS. We have received this additional TLE every time we have PCSed since 2010 and it is not submitted directly to DFAS or the online voucher system. We are not stationed at an actual base, St Louis MEPS, so nobody here knows how or where to submit for the TLE for PTDY for house hunting in connection with PCS. Does anyone here know how? It's been almost a year of everyone trying to figure this out and we do not have administrative offices here.
JTR: para. 5434.B.1.c. When house-hunting is performed after the member completes PCS travel to the new PDS (i.e., in conjunction with a PCS after arrival at the new PDS)
More specification on dates here:
moved out of losing PDS off base rental the morning of 28OCT2017
Traveled 3 days for the move, 28, 29, and 30OCT2017
Stayed in temporary lodging while in a PCS Leave status 10 days 31OCT-09NOV2017 (during this time we made trips back and forth to complete the PPM part of the trip as it required 2 UHAULs and we have several automobiles)
PTDY Leave for house hunting issued by gaining PDS started 10NOV2017 and ended 20NOV2017
Stayed in Temporary housing the entire time. There is a seperate leave form for this and the leave for authorizes entitlements.
Didn't even find a house until 28NOV2017, move in date for lease was 01DEC2017 but HHG were not delivered until 06DEC2017
Moved out of Temporary Housing and into off base rental 06DEC2017
JTR: para. 5434.B.1.c. When house-hunting is performed after the member completes PCS travel to the new PDS (i.e., in conjunction with a PCS after arrival at the new PDS)
More specification on dates here:
moved out of losing PDS off base rental the morning of 28OCT2017
Traveled 3 days for the move, 28, 29, and 30OCT2017
Stayed in temporary lodging while in a PCS Leave status 10 days 31OCT-09NOV2017 (during this time we made trips back and forth to complete the PPM part of the trip as it required 2 UHAULs and we have several automobiles)
PTDY Leave for house hunting issued by gaining PDS started 10NOV2017 and ended 20NOV2017
Stayed in Temporary housing the entire time. There is a seperate leave form for this and the leave for authorizes entitlements.
Didn't even find a house until 28NOV2017, move in date for lease was 01DEC2017 but HHG were not delivered until 06DEC2017
Moved out of Temporary Housing and into off base rental 06DEC2017
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Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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Short answer is you don't. PTDY/PTAD are no cost orders to the government, meaning everything comes out of the service members pocket. TLE is funded through your PCS orders and is payable for a maximum of 10 days at your current duty station or future duty station for temporary lodging in connection to your PCS, it is not authorized for house hunting. When you did your PTDY request this should have been explained to you.
If you go to the DFAS website under travel, Army active duty PCS, TLE, the process is explained for you.
If you go to the DFAS website under travel, Army active duty PCS, TLE, the process is explained for you.
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SPC Erin Hale
Unfortunately most do not know that it is reimburable because nobody tells you that it is. There's a small section in the Joint Travel Regulation that states it is authorized. It is 1 single sentence and that's it. We have gotten reimbursed for it with every move but it was always just done for us when we would go into the inprocessing section with our receipts. We just don't remember what office we would go into and nobody seems to know, probably because most people don't know it exists. The only reason I know it is reimbursed is because I was JAG so I had to read all of the regulations, word for word. Here's where it is at and what it says.
JTR:
CHAPTER 5: PERMANENT DUTY TRAVEL
CHAPTER 5: PART A: UNIFORMED MEMBERS ONLY
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: TEMPORARY LODGING
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434 CONUS TEMPORARY LODGING EXPENSE (TLE)
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B. TLE Authorized
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B.1.c. When house-hunting is performed after the member completes PCS travel to the new PDS (i.e., in conjunction with a PCS after arrival at the new PDS);
JTR:
CHAPTER 5: PERMANENT DUTY TRAVEL
CHAPTER 5: PART A: UNIFORMED MEMBERS ONLY
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: TEMPORARY LODGING
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434 CONUS TEMPORARY LODGING EXPENSE (TLE)
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B. TLE Authorized
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B.1.c. When house-hunting is performed after the member completes PCS travel to the new PDS (i.e., in conjunction with a PCS after arrival at the new PDS);
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GySgt (Join to see)
SPC Erin Hale Unfortunately your interpretation of the JTR is wrong. What you posted reads "completes PCS travel" meaning you cannot use TLE for a hotel in New Orleans on your way to ST Louis. Once you check in and close your PCS orders you no longer rate TLE. Besides you put down that you stayed in temp lodging 10 days on leave statutes and 10 days PTDY. The first 10 days you rate TLE and should be paid accordingly. The second you do not because 1. You were in a PTDY status and not a PCS status and 2. You only rate 10 days TLE per PCS, which were the days you were on leave.
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Who do you go through to submit leave forms or regular TDY? Normally it's done through your higher headquarters. I'm at a place that doesn't have an S1 or any admin staff as well.
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SPC Erin Hale
The Commander and he doesn't know
Unfortunately most do not know that it is reimburable because nobody tells you that it is. There's a small section in the Joint Travel Regulation that states it is authorized. It is 1 single sentence and that's it. We have gotten reimbursed for it with every move but it was always just done for us when we would go into the inprocessing section with our receipts. We just don't remember what office we would go into and nobody seems to know, probably because most people don't know it exists. The only reason I know it is reimbursed is because I was JAG so I had to read all of the regulations, word for word. Here's where it is at and what it says.
JTR:
CHAPTER 5: PERMANENT DUTY TRAVEL
CHAPTER 5: PART A: UNIFORMED MEMBERS ONLY
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: TEMPORARY LODGING
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434 CONUS TEMPORARY LODGING EXPENSE (TLE)
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B. TLE Authorized
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B.1.c. When house-hunting is performed after the member completes PCS travel to the new PDS (i.e., in conjunction with a PCS after arrival at the new PDS);
Unfortunately most do not know that it is reimburable because nobody tells you that it is. There's a small section in the Joint Travel Regulation that states it is authorized. It is 1 single sentence and that's it. We have gotten reimbursed for it with every move but it was always just done for us when we would go into the inprocessing section with our receipts. We just don't remember what office we would go into and nobody seems to know, probably because most people don't know it exists. The only reason I know it is reimbursed is because I was JAG so I had to read all of the regulations, word for word. Here's where it is at and what it says.
JTR:
CHAPTER 5: PERMANENT DUTY TRAVEL
CHAPTER 5: PART A: UNIFORMED MEMBERS ONLY
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: TEMPORARY LODGING
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434 CONUS TEMPORARY LODGING EXPENSE (TLE)
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B. TLE Authorized
CHAPTER 5: PART A: SECTION 9: para. 5434.B.1.c. When house-hunting is performed after the member completes PCS travel to the new PDS (i.e., in conjunction with a PCS after arrival at the new PDS);
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SFC (Join to see)
Contact HRC, they should be able to inform you which base service your MEPS station. Example: I work at DEOMI at Patrick AFB, FL, we do not have a finance office here for Army so all of our leave, PCS, etc..goes through Mac Dill AFB in Miami.
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GySGT Mike Warren is correct and it's unfortunate that you are in this situation. Military regulations are similar in that at times 10 people could read the same paragraph and come away with completely different interpretations of said paragraph. I certainly can see how that part of the JTR is a bit misleading, but the key part of your question that is answered in that part of the JTR is the heading that reads "Eligibility Criteria for the TLE Authorization". Hence those are all the examples in which TLE will be granted and not necessarily authorized if at the same time you fall under more than one category. However, there is a situation in which a family could and will if claimed receive a total of 20 days of TLE (technically there is two if you are relocating in a recognized disaster area) and that situation would be if a service-member is married to another service-member. Per the JTR each member can claim a separate 10 day block and receive a total of 20 days. For example: if two service-members married to each other with two children PCS to and from a CONUS PDS you are authorized to claim the following - first service-member with two dependents (children) claims first 10 days, second service-member with two dependents claims next 10 days. Now I'm not sure if you and your spouse are both service-members and I know this thread is six months old, but I felt I should provide some information in case others see this or you are actually a dual military couple.
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