Posted on Jan 10, 2015
To join a reserve component, should it be a required to serve X amount of active duty time first?
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It seems there is a lack of experience or a "different" mentality in the reserves, from what I can only guess is from not being immersed in the military lifestyle every day for longer than basic training. I think a good answer to this is make a two year active duty minimum prerequisite to join any reserve component. Just a thought. Might not be THE way, but it's A way.
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[edit] Other people are providing much better thought out answers than I have, so here's take two.
That logic is somewhat flawed, the national guard and the reserves have both deployed many soldiers and units who have acted admirably in theater. It can be quite challenging to maintain a unit wide RL1 status in the National Guard when you are faced with the same requirements as Active Duty, but only have around 40 days a year to meet them. Because of that, and because of the multitude of civilian backgrounds, Guardsmen are bringing a lot to the table in terms of outside of the box solutions and additional support you might not think of. There is nothing that Active Duty first program like that will bring to the table that isn't already here.
That logic is somewhat flawed, the national guard and the reserves have both deployed many soldiers and units who have acted admirably in theater. It can be quite challenging to maintain a unit wide RL1 status in the National Guard when you are faced with the same requirements as Active Duty, but only have around 40 days a year to meet them. Because of that, and because of the multitude of civilian backgrounds, Guardsmen are bringing a lot to the table in terms of outside of the box solutions and additional support you might not think of. There is nothing that Active Duty first program like that will bring to the table that isn't already here.
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There is a different culture in the Reserve components. As a member of the National Guard, we do not "live" the active duty lifestyle. We are civilians with a military ethos. Just like Active Component, we have a wide range of focus and dedication from each individual soldier because we have to juggle full-time civilian jobs, college and other demands while being available 24/7 for service requirements all at the same time. Our families may be spread out for many miles making it difficult when we are deployed to help support each other emotionally like active component can. Reserve components bring more real world experience with them to the fight than active component because we have more life experience, multiple skillsets, prior active component soldiers, as well as experience multi-tasking. The demographic for Active component are younger soldiers right out of High School and College who may or may not have any skills outside ofnwhat they will learn in AIT. We work better with local civilian populations since we live as civilians for the majority of our time. We have demonstrated through OIF, OEF and past conflicts, that we are fully capable to carry out our missions with less real time training. If anything, it is the Reserve component soldiers who are more adept at an ever changing combat environment and capable of doing more with less. We may not appear as real soldiers in the etes of many active duty soldiers because of the active mentality but Inassure you we can perform at or above the level of many active component units.
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I have been NG for over 13 years and my experience has been wonderful. N G soldiers bring common sense to any mission.
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Reserves bring a wealth of experience to the force; many jobs have civilian acquired skills ( ie first responders, medical, engineers) some are former active duty; others not. Of course many reservists/guard members get active duty anyway many times in combat. Also if an active tour were required, it would be hard to get the enlistment/appointment quotas needed.
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To a point I agree. There are the RC attitude that I don't have to listen, or do it that way because I'm the "Guard". I have been both sides. they think because they are in the guard that the Regs don't apply to them or that they are coming off orders what are you going to do to me. I'll go home and it will all go away! I think that a small active stint would do the trick to some extent but then would revert back to the same old same ole!
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SGT Garrett Butterfield,
So you take a unit in Western Nebraska and make it a Truck Company. You have Farmers, Ranchers, kids that have grown up around heavy equipment. Most of them own guns and have hunted for many years, I leaned to shoot a .22 when I was 5 from my father, he to served in the Army. Then add in teachers, law enforcement, carpenters, a computer technician, you have a very broad base of skill sets to draw from.
This changes the picture a little does it not. I have served on both sides of the fence, yes when I was active I thought the RC's to be a bunch of rag bags. Well they don't have a lot of time to practice D & C and other Garrison dog and pony shows. They train to get the job done.
Just due to the culture that people have in rural places like I am from are more capable than you think, many of the civilians can shoot as good as or better than most soldiers. I have seen guys drop a coyote at 300 yards on a dead run. My second deer was taken at about 400 yards running away from me, I think I was 16 at the time. My Father could shoot a fence post at a quarter mile with open sites (No Scope).
There is a rifle range not far from where I live where they have 1000 yard range and people from all over the area come to compete.
Things I leaned to do on active duty when not doing my MOS. Buffing floors, mowing grass, raking leaves, police calls, stand in line, painting, and what ever other detail some one could come up with.
So you take a unit in Western Nebraska and make it a Truck Company. You have Farmers, Ranchers, kids that have grown up around heavy equipment. Most of them own guns and have hunted for many years, I leaned to shoot a .22 when I was 5 from my father, he to served in the Army. Then add in teachers, law enforcement, carpenters, a computer technician, you have a very broad base of skill sets to draw from.
This changes the picture a little does it not. I have served on both sides of the fence, yes when I was active I thought the RC's to be a bunch of rag bags. Well they don't have a lot of time to practice D & C and other Garrison dog and pony shows. They train to get the job done.
Just due to the culture that people have in rural places like I am from are more capable than you think, many of the civilians can shoot as good as or better than most soldiers. I have seen guys drop a coyote at 300 yards on a dead run. My second deer was taken at about 400 yards running away from me, I think I was 16 at the time. My Father could shoot a fence post at a quarter mile with open sites (No Scope).
There is a rifle range not far from where I live where they have 1000 yard range and people from all over the area come to compete.
Things I leaned to do on active duty when not doing my MOS. Buffing floors, mowing grass, raking leaves, police calls, stand in line, painting, and what ever other detail some one could come up with.
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Got to say no. First is the retention and recruiting hurdles although that isn't your point. Making AD a requirement would put a lot of people out of contention right off the bat. But to go to your point, I think you're trying to discuss the military bearing and military mentality within the ranks.
Frankly, I'm one of those guys that don't have the military mentality during drill weekend. I've got about 15 years of experience, 3-5 years of which are in AD. But every time I go to a school, deployment, or extended AD period, I'm still the laid back guy I am in the civilian world. I set myself apart from the clean cut hooah-hooah guys (and gals) I'm surrounded by. However, I never loose my military bearing or professionalism.
In the civilian world (which pays my bills), I'm a professional business man. I make decisions and network with people WITHOUT having the military authoritative right to give them the open hand point to get things done. Come drill weekend, I'm working with those same people. It works for us. It works for a lot of people. Drives the AD guys crazy come MOB station. But objectives are met, meetings are held, MDMP happens (although maybe even quicker and with good banter).
But like I say at work all the time... what's the so-what? What's the objective? Is it to have a bunch of guys able to line up and march everywhere they go? Or is it to have a problem solving, enemy butt-kicking, OPORD writing, trench digging, rifle shooting cohesive team that saves the world? My squad of firefighter, business owner, IT guy, pest control, pilot, and truck driver guys can do all of that.
Frankly, I'm one of those guys that don't have the military mentality during drill weekend. I've got about 15 years of experience, 3-5 years of which are in AD. But every time I go to a school, deployment, or extended AD period, I'm still the laid back guy I am in the civilian world. I set myself apart from the clean cut hooah-hooah guys (and gals) I'm surrounded by. However, I never loose my military bearing or professionalism.
In the civilian world (which pays my bills), I'm a professional business man. I make decisions and network with people WITHOUT having the military authoritative right to give them the open hand point to get things done. Come drill weekend, I'm working with those same people. It works for us. It works for a lot of people. Drives the AD guys crazy come MOB station. But objectives are met, meetings are held, MDMP happens (although maybe even quicker and with good banter).
But like I say at work all the time... what's the so-what? What's the objective? Is it to have a bunch of guys able to line up and march everywhere they go? Or is it to have a problem solving, enemy butt-kicking, OPORD writing, trench digging, rifle shooting cohesive team that saves the world? My squad of firefighter, business owner, IT guy, pest control, pilot, and truck driver guys can do all of that.
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No. There are a lot of people who prefer staying in the Guard or Reserve and have no interest in going on active duty except for basic and then annual training. Also many people are going to school full time and can't take the time out for 4 years of active duty. And there are active duty people who have no interest in joining the reserves.
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Yes there should be mandatory active duty service first. This gives the person a true sense and respect for military traditions, and appreciation for military discipline and need to follow orders.
I have seen reservists and guardsmen, that have no sense or feeling for the history and the whys of the military.
I have seen reservists and guardsmen, that have no sense or feeling for the history and the whys of the military.
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And I have seen reservists and an guardsmen without prior active duty service who have more respect and military bearing than some active duty folks I have worked with.
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I will agree that there may be some loss in the traditions of the military in the reserve component. With only 39 training days a year this leave little time to focus on some of the traditions that are an integral part of the service. The dining in/out, NCO induction, and many other traditions are not always available based on the limited time available to meet all their other requirements. However, I also saw very little if any of these while I was on active duty either, and during deployments we have tried to incorporate some of these such as the NCO induction into the additional time we had. Every unit is different and every component has their benefits. In my experience though military discipline and ability to follow orders are very much present in the reserve component. The bottom line is I would not change the way things are working.
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I like the idea but then you need privates in the National Guard. If you had to rely on the exiting service members as a pool of candidates you would be a limiting factor. The experience would be welcomed as it currently is but there would be too many limiting factors.
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I think there could be some sort of specialized contract made for this case. And I'm not saying it has to be all that long in AD. Could just be 6 months after AIT. Just some medium point that's not Basic mentality but 5 days a week on a military installation to climatize to military lifestyle.
It is extremely difficult to mold and mentor most 18-20 year olds when you work with them 2-3 days a month and two weeks in the summer.
It is extremely difficult to mold and mentor most 18-20 year olds when you work with them 2-3 days a month and two weeks in the summer.
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SSG (Join to see) I like the idea but then you would be pushing soldiers in and out of units so often. I would say to put them in active duty position in the Guard but it wouldn't work out either. Maybe just keeping them at a training unit a bit longer could help.
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