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I had a Soldier that would openly boast about how she was the "prettiest girl in the Battalion." While I did not agree, nor did I care, what did stand out to me was how much importance she cared about phyisical appearance. Also, just based upon what she said and how she acted, I deduced that her previous leadership allowed her to get away with murder because she was flirtacious. Without getting into the gorey details, at one point myself, the PSG and the Soldier had to sit down and discuss her sexually harassing me.
So, getting into the nitty gritty in my discussion, there have been a lot of recent developments in the military regarding whether or not females appearance. Commercials featuring "pretty" Soldiers, a National Guard Soldier under verbal scrutiny because she competed for and won the title of Ms. Kansas just to name a few. Taking the example of the Ms. Kansas, do you think the same reaction would have come from a male Soldier in a Mr. Universe contest?
On the flip side of it all, there is no issues with the Army coming out with a new uniform that is more "fitted" for the female body.
What do you think of females being "Too Pretty" to be in the Military?
So, getting into the nitty gritty in my discussion, there have been a lot of recent developments in the military regarding whether or not females appearance. Commercials featuring "pretty" Soldiers, a National Guard Soldier under verbal scrutiny because she competed for and won the title of Ms. Kansas just to name a few. Taking the example of the Ms. Kansas, do you think the same reaction would have come from a male Soldier in a Mr. Universe contest?
On the flip side of it all, there is no issues with the Army coming out with a new uniform that is more "fitted" for the female body.
What do you think of females being "Too Pretty" to be in the Military?
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Oh, and haha. I just saw the video. I wonder if they will do a follow-up for this later on.
Headline:
Female Service-Members Refuse to Be Photographed.
"Hi, I'm Maj Clueless from Public Affairs. Mind if we use you in our new recruitment brochure?"
*narrows eyes*
Headline:
Female Service-Members Refuse to Be Photographed.
"Hi, I'm Maj Clueless from Public Affairs. Mind if we use you in our new recruitment brochure?"
*narrows eyes*
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I hate the stereotype of being 'too pretty' for the military. I've been told that numerous times, and I find it very offensive. So instead of serving my country as a career, what is the appropriate job for a 'pretty woman'? Appearance should never be used as a means to get ahead, it's shallow and self-centered. That female in your platoon is giving all the hardworking women in the military a bad name, and I wish she had a decent female mentor to set her straight.
As for showing 'pretty girls' in commercials, there is nothing wrong with it. I think non-military women would find it inspiring to see strong beautiful women representing our military. It shows that we don't need to sacrifice our beauty to serve.
I think it's great when our military members have personal achievements. One of my favorites is Noah Galloway on the cover of Men's Health. Their accomplishments are inspiring, and it makes me proud to call them my brothers and sisters in arms.
http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/ultimate-mens-health-guy-winner
As for showing 'pretty girls' in commercials, there is nothing wrong with it. I think non-military women would find it inspiring to see strong beautiful women representing our military. It shows that we don't need to sacrifice our beauty to serve.
I think it's great when our military members have personal achievements. One of my favorites is Noah Galloway on the cover of Men's Health. Their accomplishments are inspiring, and it makes me proud to call them my brothers and sisters in arms.
http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/ultimate-mens-health-guy-winner
Noah Galloway Is the Ultimate Men's Health Guy
The last night Noah Galloway's body was whole, he was behind the wheel of a Humvee in Iraq. His night-vision goggles didn't reveal the trip wire. "The roadside bomb was big enough to send our 10,000-pound Humvee flying through the air," he says in his Alabama drawl. "We landed wheels down in a canal."Until that moment, Galloway had found his calling in the U.S. Army. He'd dropped out of the University of Alabama at Birmingham after the planes...
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My 2 cents... On "to pretty".
No such thing. Being in the military is a choice. Like any other choice there are some underlying reasons a person; pretty, plain, not so pretty; join the military. Adventure, travel, College money, job training... Or simply to get out of the house and stand on their own feet... Which was more common than not when I recruited. brains or beauty... People want to get ahead... That's human nature. That's not a bad thing as long as its done professionally.
As for the conduct. Only happens if leadership let's it... I've corrected the "tight" clothing issue before... And the flirting... Mostly I've accomplished it being the "older brother/dad" and would say... , "Really?" And that was enough to fix the issue... The harder part were the "suitors" that would come for office visits... I handled them by kicking them out of the area. Subordinate Co workers were easy... Initial counseling... Don't let it come in the office... If I detect it affecting the job.. You're both done.
I did have a problem with a female CPT. She was attractive and a half a dozen male officers in my unit would come over to the office... When they never had before... I corrected that by informing my CPT that I didn't allow it in the office and she was no different... And that I would treat the male officers in the same manner as I did the male enlisted... When they came over I'd ask them there business... If they were there to "talk" I'd pull them to the side and explain the situation and standards and never had to say it twice. She appreciated it also.
Again... Leadership is the key... Duh!!! It only happens if leaders.... And peers allow it!
Again.... My 2 cents
No such thing. Being in the military is a choice. Like any other choice there are some underlying reasons a person; pretty, plain, not so pretty; join the military. Adventure, travel, College money, job training... Or simply to get out of the house and stand on their own feet... Which was more common than not when I recruited. brains or beauty... People want to get ahead... That's human nature. That's not a bad thing as long as its done professionally.
As for the conduct. Only happens if leadership let's it... I've corrected the "tight" clothing issue before... And the flirting... Mostly I've accomplished it being the "older brother/dad" and would say... , "Really?" And that was enough to fix the issue... The harder part were the "suitors" that would come for office visits... I handled them by kicking them out of the area. Subordinate Co workers were easy... Initial counseling... Don't let it come in the office... If I detect it affecting the job.. You're both done.
I did have a problem with a female CPT. She was attractive and a half a dozen male officers in my unit would come over to the office... When they never had before... I corrected that by informing my CPT that I didn't allow it in the office and she was no different... And that I would treat the male officers in the same manner as I did the male enlisted... When they came over I'd ask them there business... If they were there to "talk" I'd pull them to the side and explain the situation and standards and never had to say it twice. She appreciated it also.
Again... Leadership is the key... Duh!!! It only happens if leaders.... And peers allow it!
Again.... My 2 cents
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I am so mad. I wanted to make my uniform fit me to accent my curves better. I was told it was a nogo. Damn you Top!!!! AHHHH! I could have been pretty.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SGT William Howell, Letting it out around the middle doesn't count as "accent your curves" LOL
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Properly fitting uniforms and female soldiers taking advantage of their looks are two completely separate issues. Being that I'm 6 foot 3 and around 165lbs I have a hard time getting a uniform to fit. I completely sympathize with female soldiers if they want a better fitting uniform.
As for the "pretty" issue, it's human nature for people to want to look good. For a large number of females, it's a pretty big deal. I don't have a problem with it, as long as it doesn't break regs, and if it isn't done to attract attention, or subvert the chain of command. But, I'll also throw this out there; if females didn't get extra attention for being "pretty" it wouldn't be a big deal. It bothers me when "pretty" females get all the blame.
I hope placing pretty in quotation marks helps denote the type I'm talking about.
As for the "pretty" issue, it's human nature for people to want to look good. For a large number of females, it's a pretty big deal. I don't have a problem with it, as long as it doesn't break regs, and if it isn't done to attract attention, or subvert the chain of command. But, I'll also throw this out there; if females didn't get extra attention for being "pretty" it wouldn't be a big deal. It bothers me when "pretty" females get all the blame.
I hope placing pretty in quotation marks helps denote the type I'm talking about.
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Being in combat arms my exposure to females at work is very limited, but I've still seen this scenario play out. It's something that the military is going to have to address in mass at some point because of the current plans of integration.
As far as the uniforms... If it improves mission effectiveness I'm all for it. If it's because females want to look "better" in uniform then it is a waste of resources. I haven't done much reading on this so I'll leave it at that.
As far as the uniforms... If it improves mission effectiveness I'm all for it. If it's because females want to look "better" in uniform then it is a waste of resources. I haven't done much reading on this so I'll leave it at that.
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That makes more sense. Maybe this graphic just highlights the female aspect. I agree. The Marines have this fitted uniform and it makes a world of difference in appearance
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I have no issue with an alternate uniform for females. Sexual dimorphism is a thing, and giving a female a uniform that fits her properly seems like a no brainer to me. We want uniforms to fit a male smartly, why not females?
As far as "pretty" soldiers go, that's where I take a more firm stance. If I had my way, which I'm sure a lot of people will be thankful that I don't in fact have any say in this, I'd have grooming standards be uniform across the board for males and females. Give everyone a shaved head coming into basic! No make up, at all, and certainly no jewelry.
As far as "pretty" soldiers go, that's where I take a more firm stance. If I had my way, which I'm sure a lot of people will be thankful that I don't in fact have any say in this, I'd have grooming standards be uniform across the board for males and females. Give everyone a shaved head coming into basic! No make up, at all, and certainly no jewelry.
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I think a major problem is that even with the standards on makeup and grooming in general for females, most do not enforce or even know for that matter. I can't tell you how many females I have stopped and corrected in regards to their hair, nails, makeup, etc.
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I dont know about basic nowadays but when I went, it would seem that a smart woman wouldnt want makeup or jewelry. A pain in the neck during duty or training of any kind unless you are working in a Garrison environment (aka) receptionist or public affairs. And even then, definitely not in every environment. (Mascara vs Gas Chamber) But I cant speak for everyone, I'm just a mechanic.....
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