Posted on Oct 8, 2014
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This part struck me the most:

"This is the second time in three years that a top leader aboard the Stout has been relieved of duty: In early 2011, the commanding officer, command master chief and eight other sailors were removed from the ship after investigators determined they had caused a hostile work environment."

A problem with that culture/climate on the ship?

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/10/06/top-enlisted-sailor-aboard-destroyer-stout-fired-for-fraternizin.html?ESRC=army-a.nl
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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This is what happens when you think your above the law.
Its getting harder to respect the CPO community when this kind of crap keeps happening.
No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, but when your in a leadership position directly below the CO and XO you have to conduct yourself professionally 24/7 365 days a year. Gone are the days of being able to do as you please and as long as no one is hurt everything is good. Today with social media a finger swipe away everyone has to be more alert and aware of what is going on. No regrets because you can't go back and undo your ignorant action, no being sorry because you are only sorry that you got caught.
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PO2 Corey Ferretti
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Man i was talking about this kind of stuff a month ago with some friends in the Navy. It seems like every other week to every month something comes up about a CO, XO, CMC being fired for cause. It is either something that has been going on for a long time and is now being made public or there is a cultural change in the Navy and Stinks to see the uppers not following the rules that they enforce to their junior saliors.
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PO2 Corey Ferretti I think there has been a sea change brewing for years in the Navy. I will not try to pass judgment on the merits of the change but I do think this is one of the results. While I am not going to blame the integration of Women at Sea that is a big part of it. It is not a boys club anymore where hazing (abuse) and physically abusive leadership was the norm and expected. The reason you are seeing more cases like this of fraternization is because there is more opportunity.

The Navy leader of today has to be above reproach and to a greater extent politically correct. They owe it to their sailors to be a strong leader and provide the example for others to follow. I have close friends that are at sea today doing just that.

Many, no doubt will counter with criticism of the PC Navy and they have a right to their opinion but if you are aspiring to be a leader in today’s Navy you should show the respect to your leaders, peers and subordinates to have the integrity to tow the high line.
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It is unfortunate that such a senior well respected leader would make such a poor choice. I was once given this definition of integrity:
"Doing the right thing even if no one is watching"

Yet, it always seem like relationships cloud better judgement, look at Petraeus.

In any case with the previous actions taken close to four years ago I really see this as an issue isolated from the previous shipboard climate. Ships are not bad, people are.
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