Posted on Nov 4, 2015
SSG Fred Campbell
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A little while back, SPC posted what I thought was a question entitled "The "Entitled" Veteran & the latest case of Stolen Valor, what do you think of his actions and the school's response?" In it, she used a source article from Army times. Having read the article, I was perplexed by where she came up with her "rest of the story", the part, in particular about the Vet "Hard charging" the table, with buckets of F Bombs flying, especially the part about the Vet going all "Hulk smash". I do volunteer work for an organization called Guardian of Valor, which is also the Stolen Valor Facebook page. The Vet in question, SPC Ryan Lonergan had contacted us when the whole ordeal started, and we investigated the incident. The whole confrontation ended with initial conversation Lonergan had with the poser, there was no, "rest of the story". This was confirmed by the school in question, which using witness information, confirmed Lonergan was NOT in violation of school policy, and that his version, which he stated he didn't cause a loud scene, was substantiated by the school. I will post the whole of the story after my question. Here it is... Is it just me, or are the Army values not taught anymore?? Especially the part about Integrity. The SPC who wrote this story used her own opinion in place of fact, I am guessing, to add more "meat" to her post, that's the only thing I can figure. Do we live in a society, where someone, who is in the same uniform as the Vet wore, can literally 'throw a fellow Soldier under the bus" all in the name of proving her own point??? Please weigh in and tell me this isn't widespread in the military, especially the Army, which I served the majority of my adult life in...
http://guardianofvalor.com/george-williams-college-is-trying-to-punish-a-veteran-for-calling-out-a-fraud/
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Capt Mark Strobl
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Edited 9 y ago
While I am glad the youngster's name has been cleared, the letter from the school read like a mild reprimand. Did anyone else detect that? Or, am I simply yet a little butt-hurt?

Thanks for posting the follow-up, SSG Fred Campbell.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Capt Mark Strobl

To your question: "Am I simply yet a little butt-hurt." I though 'Capt' plus 'USMC' automatically equaled 'butt-hurt' so Yes, you are a little butt-hurt.

I did go back and reread the letter after your comments, and it reads like bureaucratic high brow drivel one would expect. I think our soldier made a mistake not meeting with whom ever he declined to met with, and I am willing to bet he did get loud because we get hot about these type of things but the school did need to remind him to not disturb the peace.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Thanks SPC Whitney Olson for the reply.

I think we, all people and not just military, need to act as appropriate for the situation. I am guessing this soldier allowed his outrage to get the better of him but it reads as if he started out in the right way and refrained from letting it go too far. Yes, we in the military tend to be a bit too thick skinned but much of our society, in my opinion, has become to thin skinned. I think we need to have more people stand up and calmly and quietly tell people, "You are wrong, shut up and get over yourself." Not telling you that you are wrong or to shut up. :)
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SSG Fred Campbell That's an awesome outcome for him! Excellent idea: get the facts and act on the facts not rumors.
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MSG Brad Sand
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It is an institution of higher learning...so miracles do happen.
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SSG Fred Campbell
Staff, I agree that some people are definitely taking the Stolen Valor thing too far, make something out of nothing, want to cause a scene, etc.

I'm reminded of the 2 Airmen who assaulted a veteran Marine. He couldn't produce an active duty ID card, so they whipped his ass claiming "Stolen Valor!!!"
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SSG Fred Campbell
SSG Fred Campbell
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SPC Olson, what I find sad and pathetic is someone who adds her own opinion to a story, without advising the public that it was HER opinion and not fact. That is the ONLY issue I had with your post. Instead of retracting your statement, or at the very least updating it to tell the world it was your opinion of how the confrontation went down, you chose to let the world lambaste the Vet just to try and add "meat" to your argument. Then when someone calls you on it, your answer to the problem is to call them a "troll" and promptly block their comments to you. I am 48 years old, long past "trolling" age. As for the whole Stolen Valor "problem" you have a need to address. My personal opinion is this: Yeah, I am aware of what the new Stolen Valor law defines as the act of SV, that after the Alvarez case it was deemed Okay to lie, seeing that liars are covered under freedom of speech, and by the letter of the law, the liar has to be either using his claims for financial gain or personal gain, that's what the law says. Now ask a Infantry Soldier, who's 18-20 years of age, who has lost friends in that uniform, who were closer to him than most family members, who has seen firsthand the crap storm of war and combat, ask him his definition of "Stolen Valor". While I agree that, yes there are muckers out there who like to tell "fish stories" of glorious combat just to get some kind of admiration, or maybe a beer or the like, that kind of thing has went on since, well I bet there was some cat claiming to be at Valley Forge after the Revolutionary war just to get a "wench" or a "tankard of ale", but to condone these freaks out there who throw on the uniform for attention, and then try to hide under the blanket of "I'm crazy, so it's Okay" holds no water for any excuse. You may set back and say how much you love being an enlisted Nurse, but I think you have failed to realize, your not just a "nurse" you're a SOLDIER as well, and for you not to see the problem of some cat running around in uniform, wearing medals he never earned, then I suggest you take a walk thru a hospital ward that has some Soldiers who have been injured in combat, who have lost friends and brothers, ask them how they feel about it. The whole repealing and the re-write of the Stolen Valor act was not because of some "slippery slope" or "ethical dilemma", it was because of the wording that it violated the 1st amendment rights of liars, nothing more, or less, which also covers you for all the made up bits you included about SPC Lonergen....... As for your Youtube "hits' theory, I haven't seen the Vet so much on the internet after the Collage dropped it's complaint..
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TSgt Greg Talbot
TSgt Greg Talbot
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SPC (Verify To See) - In my opinion, you are doing just the same chasing after internet fame or Rally Point approval. Your "opinion", which you did not distinguish between the Army Times article, was taken as truth and many jumped on the bandwagon to further slander another soldiers character. For that you have my utter contempt.
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TSgt Greg Talbot
TSgt Greg Talbot
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SPC (Verify To See) - So now who's being the troll? I could care less about the reception of my posts on RP. I see you have issues with integrity when you label people who have a differing opinion from yours: "rank flexing RP troll" is a tell. A pointless discussion would be to discuss honor, integrity and esprit de corps with someone such as yourself. I have thick skin from being an Air Force maintainer for 20+ years and don't get "butt hurt" by frivolous drivel you post in replies. Yours has the consistency of tissue paper, IMO.
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