Posted on May 13, 2020
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So,

I got the update from my UA, and a copy of my Approval Memorandum. Thank you to those who were supportive! Why would RallyPoint require a question mark to end posts?
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SPC.....welcome to hurry up and wait dot gov. They very well could be dragging it in the hopes that you'll get frustrated and just drop it. However you went through the proper channels and went about it according to standard....so stick it out. Keep at it if it is really that important to you. Don't worry about what they might think. Understand that it is simply not at the top of their priority list. It is what it is. Understand that consistent persistence is going to be key to making that happen.

Godspeed, SPC.
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SGT Cargo Specialist
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Sgt, that's the truth of it. Like, I am 1000% serious about this. Why would I be putting up with the nonsense otherwise? And that's exactly what they are doing I feel. I've been in ten years and wish they would hold themselves to the letter of Army regs and directives, as they do us.
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For decades we've been told the primary reason you can't have a beard is because you cannot get a good seal with a gas mask if you have a beard. Does being a follower of a religion that requires you to have a beard somehow grant you immunity from chemical and biological agents? Or have we been lied to for the last 70 years?
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LTC (Join to see) - that's kinda my point. It's a BS justification for a stupid regulation.
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SGT (Join to see) - my point is there shouldn't have to be an ETP because the regulation shouldn't exist. Same for the ridiculous policy against hands in pockets. How does a guy with his hands in his pockets appear any more "unprofessional" than a guy with long hair or a beard?
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Is the "gas mask" dilemma really relevant in garrison? That seems as simple as "you can have a beard unless you're in an environment with a credible CBRN threat, as determined by competent authorities".
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SFC Michael Hasbun - I'm a chemist and did chemical warfare research for several years. MOPP gear is, for all intents and purposes useless. If you are in a combat environment and get hit with chemical agents, that crap is going to seep or eat through your MOPP gear before you could get to a decon station. All it is going to do is prolong the inevitable. Unless you can get deconned within 30 minutes Chemical agents will get through your MOPP gear.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Yes, and they move at their own pace. If it is still showing as an active request, then there is hope. Wait!
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SSG Intelligence Analyst
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It takes time. But remember, you can have the strongest case to get a waiver, but it can sill be denied
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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In your research I am sure you found several examples of soldiers who had their requests approved. Personally I know of several individuals of the Sikh faith who had their requests approved and I know of a Norse who had his approved. Just understand that it's the Military and that anything that stands out as "different" will get a lot of attention. Not all negative but it will be attention none the less. Attracting attention by itself is looked upon negatively by leadership because attention draws questions and they don't want to be in front of someone's desk having to answer uncomfortable questions. If it was a more common process you would see a lot more beards running around. You don't because it is a tightly monitored process. If it is something you want to pursue you need to ride it out. Good Luck.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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Hope the command gets off their backsides and approves...soon.
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Spoiler alert, they did!
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LTC Program Manager
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Congratulations. Rally Point has two ways to post, Updates and Questions. Questions always end in a question mark.
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SSG Infantryman
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This is speculation, but you have to end your post with a question mark because in the eyes of the site you're posting a question.
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SSG Walter R Cooke JR
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Well, for one I would tend to think you are a FRAUD due to you cussing to make a point or to make you appear to be a victim.
(Side note: It took Congress 6 years to approve the design on the ONE DOLLARS BILL)
To make a point or to express your point you would not say that to your chaplain or home town minister.
Secondly, facial hair interferes with your safety in the areas of Chemical, Biological Warfare, Field sanitation, and personal hygiene sitiution depending.
If, you haven't noticed let me point out that many doctors who have similar religious convictions have shaved not only their facial hair but thier heads as well to insure maximum safety while treating patients in this pandemic.
I wish you the best of luck in you journey. Be true to yourself and understand even at a snail's pace you are making progress.
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SGT Cargo Specialist
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You're really reaching for the low hanging fruit. Have you never sworn? Have you never sworn whilst speaking to servicemen? Yeah, you are right, I wouldn't knowingly swear in front of my priest, but I'm not perfect. I do swear. That has zero bearing on the rest of my life, and no effect whatsoever on the expression of my faith.

Sh*tshow is a common expression I've heard more times than I can count in my tis. And I even censored it.

The truth is, you have no meaningful rebuttal to my situation, so you try to nitpick. It's really sad.
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PS, if you've done your research, you'd know that the Army has addressed and included health and safety concerns regarding beards and uncut hair. Ive accepted that guidance, and will take full accountability for my health and welfare. Besides, COVID is not a specific and directed threat against me personally during this time.
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And thirdly, how does how Doctors choose to groom themselves have any bearing on how I groom?
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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I truly am not sure how this might go if you want the truth. There have been instances where Service Members have taken on a faith or religion which is a change to there existing status. Which essentially men’s that the SM in question made a contract outside of the good faith contract entered into when enlisting or re-enlisting. There is presidency. On the other hand the unit can simply review validity and award. Conditionally based of course-all SMS must meet safe grooming standards for annual quake and NBC training. And for some daily duties require stricter grooming standards, some medical duties, some maintenance duties, lab techs etc. are required to wear PPE. In other cases such as your MOS and the current COVID environment may dictate POE for you, in which case you would have to shave your beard. Finally, if approved your hair would have to be maintained much the same as a female, there is no exception for that.
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