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So yesterday we were sitting through probably the 5th brief I've had lately on the new OER system when a question occurred to me and another fellow warrant. It was brought up in the discussion that under the new regulation that all Majors must be senior rated by a COL (O6) or higher. That got us thinking that as CW3s (also field grades) what is the minimum senior rater requirement? We pulled up the new reg and was a little surprised to see that all warrants (WO1-CW5 only have a senior rater requirement of MAJ). I was also even more shocked to discover that according to the regulation, a 2LT could actually rate a CW5.<div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div>
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As far as the rank structure goes, 2Lt's are a higher rank and sometimes high authority than warrant officers. That's just how the cookie crumbles. It's no different than privates being counselled by specialists. It's not "right" but it is legal.
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CW's are technicians in a senses of the word. I am proud of my CW. He entered the Army at 34 years old. Maxed out the PT test, went on to Mechanic school and maxed out as an E-2. Went in-country and is now a CW3. They should be rated based on the same level as their pay grade by the next level up. When I was an MSG my rater was a COL and endorser a two star. When they reduced the paper work for GO's my rater became a GS 11. WTF? over.
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CPT William Jones
MSG what does he went in country mean? he deployedto a combat zone? Or some other area out side CONUS?
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MSG Loren Tomblin
CPT William Jones - In-country is what us old Viet Nam veterans refer to as the combat zone. Any time you hear that term from someone he/she is referring to a combat area outside the USA.
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CPT William Jones
We may have crossed paths I spent 32 months there from about 2 oct 1966 to around 5 May 71 with a trip to Germany crowded in. Did catch Tet and trip into Cambodia. I would probably say in country also. However recently many use it differently. Like i deployed 4 times and checking find each deployment was 90 days so one year. I had 2 deployments plus 6 months extension. I always ask these young troopers how many months. 32 for me. I am also proud of my son. Caught in bushes extend tours 15 months irack collected CIB. Flight school and trip to Afghanistan for 12 months. So I was just curious. MSG Loren Tomblin
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MSG Loren Tomblin
CPT William Jones - I was an Infantryman FO and interpreter. After I was attached to a bunch of mercs to gather intel and they went crazy on me. I went back to my unit and was wounded (1966) and then went on to greater things.
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I am guessing that a 2LT could be in charge of a CW5. In 1976, I saw a 2LT be given command of a Basic Training Company.
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We should be rated by a field grade officer. I was one of the last direct warrant appointees back in 1981 (ancient I know) with almost 18 years of service. It would have made me made as hell then to have been rated by a 2LT at that time
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CPT William Jones
one can be mad as hell whenever they want. By the regs you must be rated by someone that outranks you and generally in your chai of command. if you are in some sort of regular type unit that will usually be commanded by a commissioned officer in the grade of O-1tru O-10. All commissioned officers out rank all enlisted members and all warrant officers. So part of your job as a senior member of the military is suck it. up and obey the officers appointed above you Charlie Mike we said in the old days.
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Not a problem in the Air Force. The knowers-of-all decided that E8s and E9s already did everything a warrant could do. So they dropped them.
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Exactly, the Warrent Officer is the EXPERT in his or her field. O1 through O3 are still getting the hang leading, managing, they are just becoming Leaders at O3.
I agree with these WO' s, time for that change.
I agree with these WO' s, time for that change.
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LT's don't have a rating profile so their "rater" comments don't carry nearly as much as that of the senior rater (maybe CPT, most likely O-4 and above) who does have a profile. I can't imagine a WO being at promotion risk for merely having a LT as a rater. That being said, I do understand the consternation some CW's have with the perception of being rated by a LT when compared to Field Grade Officer rating schemes.
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A 2nd LT would never have the opportunity to rate a CW5. First of all, the chain of command would not allow it and second of all, most 2LTs do not have enough experience to rate a CW5. 2LT's should be rating the young enlisted in their command and learn from the seasoned officers how to rate those in higher pay grades.
As a CW5 I never had to worry about being rated or senior rated by anyone below the rank of LTC. So, it is going to depend on the chain of command and from my experience, most senior officers do not allow very junior officers to rate CW5's.
As a CW5 I never had to worry about being rated or senior rated by anyone below the rank of LTC. So, it is going to depend on the chain of command and from my experience, most senior officers do not allow very junior officers to rate CW5's.
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I retired in 96 and was on the 2nd CW5 list out of DA. I was in aviation. I know that there are always changes that happen. I have not seen the new OER system, but I know that there are "Selected Slots" for CW5 and I don't know of any that would be rated by a 2nd or 1st LT. As far as the rest, it should be part of CW3's and 4's to educate LT's and CPT's because many of them have a vast experience in their field. Junior people, if they don't listen to advise, are really missing out.
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