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So yesterday we were sitting through probably the 5th brief I've had lately on the new OER system when a question occurred to me and another fellow warrant. It was brought up in the discussion that under the new regulation that all Majors must be senior rated by a COL (O6) or higher. That got us thinking that as CW3s (also field grades) what is the minimum senior rater requirement? We pulled up the new reg and was a little surprised to see that all warrants (WO1-CW5 only have a senior rater requirement of MAJ). I was also even more shocked to discover that according to the regulation, a 2LT could actually rate a CW5.<div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div>
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For us Navy Folks, we select our Warrants from our CPO community unlike the rest of the branches. For me when I put in my package for CWO I was asked at my Board why I did not put in for LDO. My answer to the CDR chairing the Board was, "So I could keep my first name, CHIEF!" "GO NAVY, BEAT Army"
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A CW3 is not a field grade. And since rating schemes are based on both relative rank and position, no CW5, or CW3 for that matter, would be in a position which is subordinate to a 2LT.
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The 2LT should not be rating warrant officers, period. This is not an attempt to promote contempt or perpetuate the NCO Corps institutional disrespect for 2LTs. It is a reflection on their experience. Warrant officers are specialists in their given field. They are supposed to PCS less frequently than enlisted or commissioned personnel to provide continuity from one command to the next and next and next . . .
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CPT William Jones
Top you are allowed your opinion and it is your job to give it to your boss the CO be he a 2lt or higher. His boss decides who is the CO the person the warrant reports to is the one that should rate him. If he is a Jr officer and is smart he will seek a little help in filling out the form and a little help in how to say what is important on the form. The real key here is all commissioned officers outrank all enlisted men and all warrant officers.
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CWO2 Richard Rose
CPT William Jones,
I agree that an O-1 is senior to a CW5. However a CWO2 is a commissioned officer. So, please respect the Warrant Officer community as to their status. Chief Warrant Officers are "Real Officers," too. In the Navy Chief Warrant Officers are not treated as something between the Senior Enlisted and brand new wet behind their ears O-1 fresh out of college. Who do you think the commanding officer is going to call when he wants the real skinny on the readiness to meet mission? I had an ensign come into my office one morning demanding that I bring one of my sailors up on charges. I said I would look into it and she pushed the issue in front of my senior chief and chief petty officers. She then told me that she was going to submit a counseling sheet on me. I respect an O-1s paygrade, but I expect that to go bothways. I would have been a very poor leader to have complied with her demands. As it turned out she did not know what she was talking about. I personally never knew of a CWO working for anyone less than an O-3E (LDO) and it was a mutual respect.
I agree that an O-1 is senior to a CW5. However a CWO2 is a commissioned officer. So, please respect the Warrant Officer community as to their status. Chief Warrant Officers are "Real Officers," too. In the Navy Chief Warrant Officers are not treated as something between the Senior Enlisted and brand new wet behind their ears O-1 fresh out of college. Who do you think the commanding officer is going to call when he wants the real skinny on the readiness to meet mission? I had an ensign come into my office one morning demanding that I bring one of my sailors up on charges. I said I would look into it and she pushed the issue in front of my senior chief and chief petty officers. She then told me that she was going to submit a counseling sheet on me. I respect an O-1s paygrade, but I expect that to go bothways. I would have been a very poor leader to have complied with her demands. As it turned out she did not know what she was talking about. I personally never knew of a CWO working for anyone less than an O-3E (LDO) and it was a mutual respect.
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Apparently CWO's are much different in the USA than they are in USN. CWO's in the USN are required to have a minimum of 12 years service and be at least E-7. As a result, Navy CWO's relieve an amazing amount of respect. On paper, they rank below an O-1, but reality is much different.
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Well Brother, such is life with the rank structure of the US Army. Now I know I am a fairly new CW3 but I would think this question might be answered by the BN/BD commander. I think this all stems from the reg covering all Warrants, techs and aviators. You know as well as I do that a lot of aviators, as W2s have very little tested leadership ability, due to being in school, former enlisted excluded of course. Mainly talking about this high school to flight school guys. <div><br></div><div>I am hoping that the new Army Staff Chief Warrant Officer (or whatever it is called) might have some input and we might see a change come down the pipe.<br><div><br></div><div>Starting with the bad news, not so bright commander might think he could have a junior grade officer (captain and down) rate a W3 because he can and never ask, "does that make sense?" </div><div><br></div><div>Good news, most Bn and Bde level commanders, at least that I have worked for, would ever allow this to happen. They know the minute they pull something like that the Warrant is looking for a new job. At least a tech would be. Talk to your boss and see what he thinks.</div></div>
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CW4 (Join to see)
I had forgotten about the pilot side of the house. No I agree 100% that the chances of a BN/BDE CDR allowing something like that to fly is probably about 0 which is why it leaves me wondering even more about why the regulation was written the way it was. I agree that having a senior warrant adviser to the COS is nothing but a good thing and will hopefully lead to additional progress in defining where exactly warrants fall within the rank structure. Time will tell.
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WTF? This is disrespectful, having a 2LT rate a CW5 is like having an E5 rate the CSM! This is ridiculous and a complete slap in the face!
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CW3 (Join to see)
Actually, it's not. Having a 2LT rate the CW5 would be like having him rate a CSM.
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CPT William Jones
One must not forget that the newest Lt outranks the oldest E9 and CW5 in the Army. If one of those is placed under the Lt's command chain the Lt is ultimately the one that has reasponsability for their actions under UCMJ.
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I have all the respect in the World for our Warrant Officers! They are tough, intelligent and experts in their fields.
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I'm AF an never worked a joint assignment but see great potential as a maintainer for warrant officers. The rating scheme seems like a slap in the face.
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CWO4 Frank Williams
While deployed to Aviano AB during Deny Flght/Deliberate Force I found that many senior enlisted and most senior officers were amazed at the knowledge and assistance of our Marine CWO's. Although seen as "unicorns" by most we provide valuable MOS knowledge and are our opinions were highly sought after by savy senior enlisted and officers.
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SSgt James Krause
I met the last remaining AF warrant officer while in basic at Lackland '72. Our TI lined us up to shake his hand.
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