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I am in the Army Reserve and this past weekend my unit and I went to the range. While at the range, I was told that one of my AGR E5 NCOs was being very disrespectful and unprofessional towards other NCOs and Officers while he was a range safety. Afterwards, my SFC supply sergeant asked him if he cleaned his weapon and he stated that he was not going to clean his MFing weapon. The SFC brought this to my attention and I said I would handle it. Later on, when I saw him again, I has him put away some items he was carrying and instructed him to bring his weapon while we walked to a secluded area. I had my LT platoon leader come with me. While I was doing this and trying to talk to him, he continuously interrupted me and was not treating me like his senior. I put him at the position of attention then told him to get in the front leaning rest position and he said he wasn't going to effing do that. I said great, let's go see the CSM. The CSM sided with him and said I escalated things too quickly (he said this with my E5 right there). He then said that he hold his AGR Soldiers at a higher standard than just a regular reservist. My brain was boiling... Doesn't take any consideration to my prior active time, my deployment, my rank, my leadership history.
I understand I might have escalated quickly but don't demean me in front my my Soldiers. I was going to have him in the front leaning rest while I calmly talk to him. I just wanted him to be uncomfortable while I explain what professionalism is and what the NCO Creed stands for and that I won't tolerate one of my NCOs disrespecting other NCOs or Officers.
Was I wrong in what I was doing? Am I too old school for today's Army? How could I have handled things differently? Now he probably thinks he is untouchable...
Update: So that individual got promoted and is awaiting transfer. He and I talked about what happened and he apologized for how he reacted. I just left it at that. I understand where I went wrong and if something like that happens again, I will be more prepared with having paperwork ready to escalate.
To give a little more insight on my unit, we are essentially the command part of a larger unit which we oversee. Similar to an HQ or HHC. It's hospital unit and we're the hospital center. Those of you who've been in a hospital unit, you probably understand the unique dynamic. With that being said, my position is basically the 1SG but with a squad sized element. My next higher up is the CSM, which is why I went to him instead of a 1SG.
I understand I might have escalated quickly but don't demean me in front my my Soldiers. I was going to have him in the front leaning rest while I calmly talk to him. I just wanted him to be uncomfortable while I explain what professionalism is and what the NCO Creed stands for and that I won't tolerate one of my NCOs disrespecting other NCOs or Officers.
Was I wrong in what I was doing? Am I too old school for today's Army? How could I have handled things differently? Now he probably thinks he is untouchable...
Update: So that individual got promoted and is awaiting transfer. He and I talked about what happened and he apologized for how he reacted. I just left it at that. I understand where I went wrong and if something like that happens again, I will be more prepared with having paperwork ready to escalate.
To give a little more insight on my unit, we are essentially the command part of a larger unit which we oversee. Similar to an HQ or HHC. It's hospital unit and we're the hospital center. Those of you who've been in a hospital unit, you probably understand the unique dynamic. With that being said, my position is basically the 1SG but with a squad sized element. My next higher up is the CSM, which is why I went to him instead of a 1SG.
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In my experience most AGR soldiers think they are untouchable. Hell they hold NCO positions and 99% of the time they don't even work with in their platoon. They forget they have positions in a platoon and they should train and work within that platoon while at drill not sitting at their desk like it's a weekday. Your not wrong the CSM is wrong if he felt u were unprofessional or out of line he should have pulled you aside
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Doesn't the CSM have a superior? Couldn't you talk with this person about the incident and how the CSM handled things? especially the dressing down in front of the E-5 that you received? it's inappropriateness?
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that crap would not have been tolerated when I was in.respect...that's a no brainer
The military is not the appropriate career path for individuals who refuse to execute the lawfully directed orders of their senior NCO’s. Your CSM was wrong in correcting you in front of the SGT, he has diminished your ability to effectively lead and direct your subordinates. I am more than certain that your E-5 was more than happy to share with his buddies on how you got corrected by the CSM. Ways to move forward, learn from the poor example your CSM provided and ensure that you don’t repeat those very mistakes.
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This is pretty messed up. From the SGT and especially the CSM. Hopefully the CSM sided with the SGT behind closed doors but still messed up. Sometimes AGR soldiers think they're above their pay grade because they're AGR and have a different standard. It's pretty crazy but I've seen it more times than one.
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Sorry, sorry state the Army has come to. Back in THE DAY, that guy would be in the stockade in a blink!
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I don’t know why my email sends me to posts almost a year old but my opinion. Genuinly no below a SFC gives a fuck about order or regs anymore. Covid, TikTok and Weak parents along with the worst politics we’ve had in 20 years have completely ruined the military. The military needs people more than the people need a military looks like.
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Now that we read one side of the story, and are now trying to piece it together, let us step back. Statement should have been written by the range NCO and the SFC Supply Sergeant. They should have elevated it to your CO. You should have been made aware of the situation. What it a "bad day" or was it a "pissed out" soldier? At a range SAFETY is paramount!!!!! Any action should be reported to the CO through the range OIC. That did you do wrong; if anything, it was not written in the posting. Being promoted tells me two things [1] the soldier was not a "scum bag" or [2] the soldier had connections.
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No place for this from an AGR soldier, the CSM should just retire and I would just add that if you are his Senior you should be in his rating chain for the Change of rater NCO he is due, counsel him appropriately and hit the Values. Done.
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That so called nco or sht bag blue falcon needs be written up. Go over that garbage csm too, he an that nco prob banging each other while commending themselves. Pencil whip gis behind out the service. Just hurry up and wait.
Telling you or a tually being un tactful is unprofessional. I wouldnt take amy orders from that pos.
Csm was way wrong just as bad as sgt tommy tuff nuts. I know lts now days come straighy putta preschool school him or her on what that pos did and have him sign the counseling statement....
Punish him or make him a e3.....
Telling you or a tually being un tactful is unprofessional. I wouldnt take amy orders from that pos.
Csm was way wrong just as bad as sgt tommy tuff nuts. I know lts now days come straighy putta preschool school him or her on what that pos did and have him sign the counseling statement....
Punish him or make him a e3.....
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