Posted on Jul 2, 2016
We all know Special Operations are the best at conducting Combat Operations. What type of unit do you feel is the best support unit?
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This is opinion only. What is the best support unit? It can be based on who they support, how they support, or the technical expertise required.
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The best support units are the ones that support GREAT combined arms units whose senior 1, 2 level up commanders understand supporters ..and only fills those leaders slots with GREAT leaders not all others, because "They are just supporters"
I had one my best platoon sergeants taken from me one deployment to fill a support platoon leader position...He was livid, take his infantry platoon from him to be a supporter? ....
Then I asked him,,,,when was the last time you had all your Bradley's up because mechanics had parts? How many times have you and your men eating MRE's for days in a row because rations were not here? Remember Being critically short on coax for two weeks because the support platoon kept forgetting that crate of ammo at the FOB?
I told him not only does YOUR platoon need YOU doing that job for now, the company needs you, the battalion needs YOU in that job.. Now go fix it, find your replacement and let me know when that platoon is ready....and I will your ass back here to your platoon.
I had one my best platoon sergeants taken from me one deployment to fill a support platoon leader position...He was livid, take his infantry platoon from him to be a supporter? ....
Then I asked him,,,,when was the last time you had all your Bradley's up because mechanics had parts? How many times have you and your men eating MRE's for days in a row because rations were not here? Remember Being critically short on coax for two weeks because the support platoon kept forgetting that crate of ammo at the FOB?
I told him not only does YOUR platoon need YOU doing that job for now, the company needs you, the battalion needs YOU in that job.. Now go fix it, find your replacement and let me know when that platoon is ready....and I will your ass back here to your platoon.
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CPL Deanna Green (Parkinson)
As an older female MP, I got farmed out many times for support positions and special duty assignments. My command always got me back home. Those support units gave me the flexibility to get the job done in the most proficient manner. It's all about teamwork, we all play a part. Thanks SGM for seeing the big picture!
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I would disagree with your premise. Special Operations are very good at certain "Specialized" operations, general small unit in nature. I would never expect them to be the best at heavy mechanized operations for example. To answer your question, the best support unit trains with the supported unit and can anticipate the needs of the supported unit.
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SSG Richard Hackwith
Have to agree with on that point, in a major battle like 17 Easting special ops units would be spectators. And like you said if those support elements aren't out with the line units training to do the job, under all conditions, they won't do the job when it counts.
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"Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don’t ever let up. Don’t ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain." GEN George S. Patton
I would add that every single unit plays a vital role in the great chain.
I would add that every single unit plays a vital role in the great chain.
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CPT Bruce Beattie
Your quote is a fine example of why we study military history and why officers should be widely read! It also points out that much about armies has not changed over centuries. Kudos!
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The best support units are the successful ones that integrate themselves with the combat arms units.
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The best units are the ones who do their job, accomplish the mission and take care of their people, regardless of their branch or service
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To use a few Air Force flavored responses.... "Nobody kicks ass without tanker gas!" "No COMM, no bomb!"
ALL of the support units are critical IMO. The most lethal SF unit in the world won't stay that way long without resupply, MX, Comm, Medical, et al. I think we need to stop playing the "whose penis is bigger" game and realize we all have vital roles to play. To say that one is more important than the other is ludicrous.
ALL of the support units are critical IMO. The most lethal SF unit in the world won't stay that way long without resupply, MX, Comm, Medical, et al. I think we need to stop playing the "whose penis is bigger" game and realize we all have vital roles to play. To say that one is more important than the other is ludicrous.
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TSgt (Join to see)
Well, not sure I went there with this. However, there should be at least some pride in your work. If someone is in a basic transportation job where they only handle a few trucks a month or so I would hope they have the drive to make it into the unit that handles 100 trucks a day. This is just an example, so do not blow it out of the sky with dramatization.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
TSgt (Join to see) - Sorry if I sounded like I was attacking. That wasn't my intention in the least!!
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CW4 Tim Claus
Every specialty in the military exists for a good reason, and all must do their part for mission success. All the bullets, beans and gas means nothing if the shooters can't get the job done. The best bullet launchers and door knockers in the world cannot execute without bullets, beans and gas. The effort needed by TRANSCOM to coordinate and get all the goodies to the CA/CS folks would blow the mind of a combat arms guy. CSS folks would have a problem coming up to speed in a hurry to mesh with CA/CS folks. I was an Army mariner until I retired, and to almost all Army folks, what it takes to run a ship would baffle them for a few years at best. I can't fix a chopper or plane, so we all do our parts, and pitch in when needed to help our partner units. No one group is more important than another.
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TSgt (Join to see)
I have worked with Seabees. They are a good group of people. It just seems like the Navy holds them back. I have heard that some rates lose competitiveness if they stay away from a Construction Battalion for too long.
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CAPT Kevin B.
We're down to 5 active battalions. That doesn't compare to the 140 in WW2. So they're kept pretty busy. The reason you don't see them much is low number of Seabees nowadays. There's a rotation of sea/shore duty and you have to keep up the quals and get good paper to be competitive. Same thing as the rest of the MIL side. Like C-5/C-141 assets we flew the wings off on, the reductions and then overuse of the Bees has created a significant morale and retention problem, both active and reserve. Again sounds normal MIL for many assets as well.
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CW4 Tim Claus
Everyone is down in just about every specialty. We always prepare for the next war based on the one just completed. If the War Dept had not gutted the military after War I, than War II would have been a lot less likely. We were quite a few years behind Germany and Japan ramping up. When the next war flares up, there will inevitably be a mismatch in capabilities needed, and capabilities available.
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The most important ones are the ones working the job at the time to get the mission done. Ie, mechanics getting vehicles, cooks for keeping the soldier fed, MI for getting intel to get troops out and provide SA. There is no support unit that is better than the other, but some support units are better for certain support roles than others.
Being attached to a SOF unit, as some have said above, ODAs are very good at SUT but what I feel they do best is that they integrate all support to maximize mission success. Their philosophy of what do you bring to the table and exploiting that is what makes them great. The ODAs I worked with never pretended to know what you did and would ask how you worked and what you needed to have maximum success. They constantly asked what could be done better and integrated everyone they worked with, regardless of MOS, rank or anything else.
Being attached to a SOF unit, as some have said above, ODAs are very good at SUT but what I feel they do best is that they integrate all support to maximize mission success. Their philosophy of what do you bring to the table and exploiting that is what makes them great. The ODAs I worked with never pretended to know what you did and would ask how you worked and what you needed to have maximum success. They constantly asked what could be done better and integrated everyone they worked with, regardless of MOS, rank or anything else.
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I think that the elements that you mentioned are spot on. I would add the quality of the values of each individual assigned to a unit.
There are other factors involved in the mix but usually the best support units will have those qualities that we mentioned above.
There are other factors involved in the mix but usually the best support units will have those qualities that we mentioned above.
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