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State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf has stated that the Middle East needs more job opportunities to remove the threat of groups such as ISIS and that killing them will not beat them.
I both agree and disagree with this statement, where if better opportunities existed within the Middle East there would be less individuals fighting with the terrorists, but at the same time, we must remove ISIS to allow those jobs to even been created.
What do you all think?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/17/marie-harf-state-department-on-islamic-state-cant-/
I both agree and disagree with this statement, where if better opportunities existed within the Middle East there would be less individuals fighting with the terrorists, but at the same time, we must remove ISIS to allow those jobs to even been created.
What do you all think?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/17/marie-harf-state-department-on-islamic-state-cant-/
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The Obama administration is delusional. I wonder often when I hear stuff like this being uttered from them what fairy tail land they think they are living in. Can we please get a leader with some backbone.
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these are the same people that I debate in school...giggles...it's like when I debate them....I hand them the rope and they hang themselves with it...can't wait till tomorrow to see what talking points they'll pick off of MSNBC
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I guess if we're going to be paying ISIL anyway we may as well make them work for it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/19/u-s-humanitarian-aid-going-to-isis.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/19/u-s-humanitarian-aid-going-to-isis.html
U.S. Humanitarian Aid Going to ISIS
Not only are foodstuffs, medical supplies—even clinics—going to ISIS, the distribution networks are paying ISIS ‘taxes’ and putting ISIS people on their payrolls.
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
Maybe they can help build mini drones to police the streets here and identify radical ,extremist, violent, Christian groups. As opposed to the nonviolent radical group I belong to, Pax Christi USA .
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That article/interview goes to the mentality of the talking heads on the left. They are so out of touch with reality, it is frightening. What's even more frightening is that there are people in the military and veterans who have adopted that party.
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Hell, I think we'd win faster if we just skipped the jobs and gave them unemployment checks, a free cell phone, and some section 8 housing. Oh, yeah, and Obamacare...combine all that with 200+ channels of free satellite TV and some McDonald's chicken nuggets, the populace will soon be just as docile and easily controlled as ours.
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I thought being a terrorist was already a full time job! I guess DoS thinks they aren't working hard enough. Two jobs will make things much better... *facepalm
They won't even need heathcare coverage if they do their first job good enough.
They won't even need heathcare coverage if they do their first job good enough.
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My response....haha unbelievable. We did that in Iraq. As long as you pay them not to kill you....
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I think this thread illustrates so much that is wrong with our country right now. There are 22 responses and only 2 proposed any type of solution, the rest just spewed vitriol thereby providing nothing of value to the conversation. If we really want to improve things we have to think critically and provide answers, not simply denigrate others because they have a different opinion or idea. So since we can all agree that simply employing ISIS will not work, what solutions do you propose RallyPoint?
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LTC (Join to see)
That would require those in a position to implement a solution be receptive to alternative ideas. Also when it seems people are constrained by bias and sympathies, there will not be a solution in the near term.
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Cpl Jeff N.
SGT James Elphick I must have missed your well thought critical analysis/proposal on the matter.
Here is mine. Two prongs.
1. You have to kill as many of the current radicals as you can as quickly as you can. They are murdering our allies and non radicals in wholesale quantities right now and we need the moderates, Christians and others alive to help rebuild. That requires people on the ground, aircraft overhead and a stomach for the fight ASAP
2. You have to address the radicalization of the youth in the region. This is being done at the Mosque's at young ages. Killing the current radicalized jihadists witout addressing the next crop youth is just kiciking the can down to road. We will need to take out radical Imam's along with radical jihadists, they are really one in the same.
Not easy but I think that is the crux of the matter.
Here is mine. Two prongs.
1. You have to kill as many of the current radicals as you can as quickly as you can. They are murdering our allies and non radicals in wholesale quantities right now and we need the moderates, Christians and others alive to help rebuild. That requires people on the ground, aircraft overhead and a stomach for the fight ASAP
2. You have to address the radicalization of the youth in the region. This is being done at the Mosque's at young ages. Killing the current radicalized jihadists witout addressing the next crop youth is just kiciking the can down to road. We will need to take out radical Imam's along with radical jihadists, they are really one in the same.
Not easy but I think that is the crux of the matter.
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SGT James Elphick
Cpl Jeff N. I think your 2 prong approach is a good one. I provided one as well somewhere in this thread. At any rate, you are correct, we have to take out the problem now AND take out the root of the problem that continues to supply ISIS with recruits. Obviously the 1st is much easier than the 2nd.
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There is a grain of truth there. The Desert Storm may have broken Saddam Hussien's ability to fight a war, but it's obvious that the Iraqi people didn't welcome us with open arms as liberators when we went to finish the job 12 years later.
Bombing from a distance only fosters the next generation of terrorist, because the sons of the people killed are only convinced that we are indeed evil.
I'm not advocating that we give them jobs, education or free healthcare. We do however need to be intelligent in our involvement:
- Are they a threat to our security? In other words, are they going to invade us? No, but terrorism has always been a concern (long before 9/11/01), and always will be...
- Are they a threat to our national interest. Yes. The Middle East is the primary source of oil, and we are dependent on it (Otherwise wouldn't we be more concerned with other parts of the world where worse atrocities occur?).
I'm no tree loving hippie, but we need to either switch to a domestically sourced energy source and let them kill each other without our involvement (that's a bit like staying in the "no peeing" section of the swimming pool), or we need to roll in heavy with the purpose of colonizing the area.
"Walk down right side of road, good. Walk down left side of road, good. Walk down middle... squish just like grape"
~ Kesuke Miyagi "The Karate Kid"
Bombing from a distance only fosters the next generation of terrorist, because the sons of the people killed are only convinced that we are indeed evil.
I'm not advocating that we give them jobs, education or free healthcare. We do however need to be intelligent in our involvement:
- Are they a threat to our security? In other words, are they going to invade us? No, but terrorism has always been a concern (long before 9/11/01), and always will be...
- Are they a threat to our national interest. Yes. The Middle East is the primary source of oil, and we are dependent on it (Otherwise wouldn't we be more concerned with other parts of the world where worse atrocities occur?).
I'm no tree loving hippie, but we need to either switch to a domestically sourced energy source and let them kill each other without our involvement (that's a bit like staying in the "no peeing" section of the swimming pool), or we need to roll in heavy with the purpose of colonizing the area.
"Walk down right side of road, good. Walk down left side of road, good. Walk down middle... squish just like grape"
~ Kesuke Miyagi "The Karate Kid"
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SPC David Hannaman
We are in a time/political climate not unlike the 1930's. It's what allowed Hitler to conquer half of Europe. Your average citizen has been so isolated from evil for so long that they lack the will to sacrifice and fight for their lives.
I would prefer to let the situation worsen (and I'm sure it will) and fight a "total war street fight" than to commit troops to some half-assed "hands tied behind backs by rules of engagement" skirmish.
I would prefer to let the situation worsen (and I'm sure it will) and fight a "total war street fight" than to commit troops to some half-assed "hands tied behind backs by rules of engagement" skirmish.
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LTC John Tongret - Marie Harf did this, Marie Harf did that. So I said, "Yeah, sure." Just like the Godfather.
Why not pay the guys that are trying to kill us? Give peace a chance, give money a chance what the hell we just print more anyway.
Why not pay the guys that are trying to kill us? Give peace a chance, give money a chance what the hell we just print more anyway.
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