Posted on Nov 18, 2015
SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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Muslims in the Middle East, regardless of sect, tend to be extremely conservative in their religious views. This has been proven in survey after survey.

Apostasy punishable by death, hatred and murder of homosexuals, subservient women, and intolerance toward other cultures and general approval of terrorist groups like Al Qaeda.

These things don't exist in a vacuum on their own. They are borne from the same ideologies, many of which are sourced in the Quran and Hadith. If Christians today took the Bible as literally and conservatively as Muslims do then you would see many of the same things that we are seeing from the Islamic world today.

The problem with the West is that they refuse to understand those concepts in context. They are busy trying to be PC about it rather than facing the reality of what it is we're actually fighting.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

This should give us a pretty clear idea of just how conservative the Islamic population of the world really is. It is this Fundamentalism that gives birth to Islamic Terrorism as the word of God is to be taken absolutely literally.

This may not be all Muslims of all sects, but it should be noted that they are the vast majority. No Western Power will ever change this. The culture must change itself over time. Our mistake as "progressive" liberal societies is to think we share political, ideological, and cultural similarities, we do not. That we can force such a conservative and religious society to conform to our ideals. We can't.

The problem, generally speaking, is that we try to view Islamic society in the Middle East like we would view ourselves, or at leave how we'd LIKE to view ourselves.

The fact is Western muslims do not share a lot of the same conservative ideologies as their Middle Eastern counterparts. Muslims in Europe, who grew up European, are largely part of their respective societies and well assimilated to cultural norms. They do not practice what is sometimes referred to as "political Islam". This is even more so with American Muslims.

While I was in Afghanistan I served with Afghan SF and regular ANA. I do not hate Muslims so please don't try to paint my words in such a way. I will not, however, ignore the realities of just how different our two cultures are. Nowhere was this more apparent than when you're sitting around a fire in a remote FOB, half staffed with Afghans, and you're all sharing a meal and trying to understand each other through broken English and unfamiliar customs.

The paint on this wall is dry. The problem with Westerners, as my Afghan counterparts like to put it, is that they all seem to think that everyone thinks like them. And those that don't think like them are simply "not getting it". This isn't the case here. It is US who doesn't get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxIzY6vt6Yg <---See this video for a discussion on political Islam.

I ask that anyone participating in this discussion first read the entire post, read the Pew Research link, and then watch the video before responding.
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SSG Intelligence Sergeant
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I didn't know they were incompatible. I learn something new about my religion every day apparently. lol
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SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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I think you should probably read then entire post rather than just the title.
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I read the entire post and watched the video.
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SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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SSG (Join to see) - The you would know that I wasn't referring to "Your religion" and more to a demographic in the Middle East that is a prevailing and majority view of Islam.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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A few thoughts regarding Western society and the Muslim world.
- There are core, fundamental world view differences between Western society (largely Christian and democratic) and the Muslim word. In a nutshell, the Muslim world believes that Allah's law supercedes man's law. This is why there is Sharia law. Western society largely believes in freedom of religion which means one does not supercede the other.
- Christianity has its reformation in about the 1600s. Islam has never had a reformation.
- Western society does not generally believe in killing people over their thoughts or beliefs. Some in the Muslim world not only see killing people over their thoughts or beliefs as acceptable but required.
- Western society is willing to accept Muslims into their nations. The Muslim world generally is not willing to accept non Muslims into their nations.
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1stSgt Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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Yes it is. What is not compatable is extremism in any form.
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SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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Please read the entire post.
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So I am assuming you do not believe so. That is fine.

The averages show that worldwide, most Muslims think that sharia law is from God himself, adulterers should be stoned and that Sharia Law should ONLY apply to Muslims.

Many moderate areas of the world were not polled, such as the US.

My opinion is that it can exist here, but not in its extremist form. And yes I read the survey.
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SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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Once again 1SG I urge you to read the entire post from top to bottom and watch the video. Don't make assumptions on what I think if you're not willing to even bother reading the content you're responding to.
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