Posted on Sep 17, 2018
What are my options after being passed over for promotion twice?
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I have an urgent question re: Promotion Board to Major in the Army Reserve. I just found out I didn’t make my second look and just got the letter in the mail that I’m being forced out. I have fourteen good years in the Army (mostly active with some Reserve years and some enlisted years in the late 90s) and want to know what my options are to make it to 20? Anyone who can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.
Some details:
-I spent most of my time on active duty in ‘00s-with one mobilized reserve 15 month period—got out in 2008 as a CPT, never did my CCC before I got out bc I thought I was done.
—Spent almost 9 years in IRR before deciding to come back in 2017.
—I never knew I was put up for Major Board (apparently) before so I submitted my packet for FY18 board that results just came out knowing I prob wouldn’t be selected because my CCC wasn’t done yet
—my CCC is now done, I was targeting FY 19 board in March to be picked up to MAJ
—I knew I was pushing my mandatory retirement date in Jul 2020 when I came back in to get promoted. I commissioned in 2000 so 2020 is when I hit 20 years commisioned and as a Captain and would have needed to retire. So I thought I was being smart and getting in under the radar to be promoted before I was forced out. I thought I managed my career right.
—this two time passed over and out really hit me out of nowhere—I do not know what to do, I want to do my 20 good years and retire.
Caveat to all of the above—I know it’s my responsibility to manage my own career and obviously I did not, but I am being perfectly honest when saying I just did not know I was put up for MAJ before—I feel like I totally flushed my career down the drain just when I thought I was getting back on track. I really enjoyed the past 18 months back in and now it might be over
Questions:
—is there any way to appeal to get a third look?
—is there any way for me stay in?
—is there anyway for me to reach 20 good years? Can I resign my commission and go enlisted to make it? (I’ve heard that somewhere)
—any advice would be really helpful and thanks for reading.
Kevin
Some details:
-I spent most of my time on active duty in ‘00s-with one mobilized reserve 15 month period—got out in 2008 as a CPT, never did my CCC before I got out bc I thought I was done.
—Spent almost 9 years in IRR before deciding to come back in 2017.
—I never knew I was put up for Major Board (apparently) before so I submitted my packet for FY18 board that results just came out knowing I prob wouldn’t be selected because my CCC wasn’t done yet
—my CCC is now done, I was targeting FY 19 board in March to be picked up to MAJ
—I knew I was pushing my mandatory retirement date in Jul 2020 when I came back in to get promoted. I commissioned in 2000 so 2020 is when I hit 20 years commisioned and as a Captain and would have needed to retire. So I thought I was being smart and getting in under the radar to be promoted before I was forced out. I thought I managed my career right.
—this two time passed over and out really hit me out of nowhere—I do not know what to do, I want to do my 20 good years and retire.
Caveat to all of the above—I know it’s my responsibility to manage my own career and obviously I did not, but I am being perfectly honest when saying I just did not know I was put up for MAJ before—I feel like I totally flushed my career down the drain just when I thought I was getting back on track. I really enjoyed the past 18 months back in and now it might be over
Questions:
—is there any way to appeal to get a third look?
—is there any way for me stay in?
—is there anyway for me to reach 20 good years? Can I resign my commission and go enlisted to make it? (I’ve heard that somewhere)
—any advice would be really helpful and thanks for reading.
Kevin
ARCC (Army Reserve Career Counselor)
Promotion Board
Army Reserve Elements
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 24
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I’m now in the same boat as you were. Passed over for Major twice and not selected for continuation. Did you ever get more guidance on finishing your 20?
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CPT Kevin, what resulted with your situation? I find myself in the same boat and would like to do something if there's anything that can be done. I hope you still check this site on occasion--R.
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I know plenty of people who have gone back enlisted to finish out their time.
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If your CCC was completed at least one day before the Selection Board, you can apply to be reconsidered through PERSCOM. The information to do that is in AR 135-155. Other than that, unless you have 18 years in, not much you can do.
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Thanks to everyone who posted and offered advice. To clarify my position more (as I wrote the original post a little PO'd).
I have a lot of Active Duty time and a couple of years in the Reserves with a long lag time in the IRR. I was enlisted 1995-2000, commissioned on Active Duty in '00, made O-3 in 2003, got out in 2005, got called back in 2007 (surge) and did an additional 18 months and got out in 2008 (thinking this was it and never doing PME), spent 9 years in IRR and came back in to the Army Reserves in beginning of 2017. I have over 4300 points so right about 13 years of time in total with "14 good years" as the Reserves counts them. FY18 Board I heard from everyone and my Branch manager that I should submit my packet even as I was finishing my PME (Captains Career Course). I thought why not? I guess I should not knowing I was apparently boarded while in IRR?? And not knowing two time look and I'm done--I was ignorant to it, I didn't know what I didn't know as they say....so, now I'm done my CCC and would get picked up in FY 19 board if I could submit, BUT I don't have that chance all because I submitted for the board in the wrong year...If I just would have waited one more year I would not have to be going through this.
What I hear from this thread as my options to try to pursue:
--resign my commission and enlist
--look at Warrant program
--look at transfer to a different service
--contact a General to get an exception/waiver
I will try all of the above, I have 6 more years to make my 20 and I am not going to give up. If I have to be an E-6 for my last years so be it. I started out as enlisted so I would be coming full circle.
Any other advice?? Any contacts for the above options? Recruiters? please send my way. Thanks to everyone!
I have a lot of Active Duty time and a couple of years in the Reserves with a long lag time in the IRR. I was enlisted 1995-2000, commissioned on Active Duty in '00, made O-3 in 2003, got out in 2005, got called back in 2007 (surge) and did an additional 18 months and got out in 2008 (thinking this was it and never doing PME), spent 9 years in IRR and came back in to the Army Reserves in beginning of 2017. I have over 4300 points so right about 13 years of time in total with "14 good years" as the Reserves counts them. FY18 Board I heard from everyone and my Branch manager that I should submit my packet even as I was finishing my PME (Captains Career Course). I thought why not? I guess I should not knowing I was apparently boarded while in IRR?? And not knowing two time look and I'm done--I was ignorant to it, I didn't know what I didn't know as they say....so, now I'm done my CCC and would get picked up in FY 19 board if I could submit, BUT I don't have that chance all because I submitted for the board in the wrong year...If I just would have waited one more year I would not have to be going through this.
What I hear from this thread as my options to try to pursue:
--resign my commission and enlist
--look at Warrant program
--look at transfer to a different service
--contact a General to get an exception/waiver
I will try all of the above, I have 6 more years to make my 20 and I am not going to give up. If I have to be an E-6 for my last years so be it. I started out as enlisted so I would be coming full circle.
Any other advice?? Any contacts for the above options? Recruiters? please send my way. Thanks to everyone!
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Hi, I am on the same boat now. I was wondering if you have any updates? Did you enlist? Join the WO program? Transfer to a Sister Service?
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My sole point is this...help us try to he able to try to help you, by elavoratng, as I'd said...being infantry, would USMC possibly consider you if they were short? I mean, I only ask as, with your experience, I didn't know, of course, it just see!ed a natural thing to ask, honest...just another thought, I realize that one might not fly, it just occurred to me to mention....
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https://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/career-advice/resume-writing/national-guard-technician-federal-resume.html
Trust me, read this...my understanding is, you can still stay O-3 in Guard or Reserve, you'd just be evald be their boards, as opposed to active duty boards...if you went clinical, or law, then you could try for another service as clinical or JAG on active, though you'd likely need a waiver...however, being as you only need six years for 20, if 20 would suffice for Grad or Reserve retirement still, which you'd need to check, of course, ten, at least, you could, possibly, finish that way, I only mention it as a thought, honest....
Trust me, read this...my understanding is, you can still stay O-3 in Guard or Reserve, you'd just be evald be their boards, as opposed to active duty boards...if you went clinical, or law, then you could try for another service as clinical or JAG on active, though you'd likely need a waiver...however, being as you only need six years for 20, if 20 would suffice for Grad or Reserve retirement still, which you'd need to check, of course, ten, at least, you could, possibly, finish that way, I only mention it as a thought, honest....
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Reserve_Technician_Program
This is the USAF Reserve Tech program, I don't know how Army does it....
This is the USAF Reserve Tech program, I don't know how Army does it....
Air Reserve Technician Program - Wikipedia
Air Reserve Technicians, commonly referred to as ARTs, are a nucleus of full-time uniformed U.S. Air Force leaders, managers, operators, planners and trainers in what is known as the Air Reserve Component (ARC) of the United States Air Force, the ARC consisting of both the Air Force Reserve and the Air National Guard.
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http://www.excelsior.edu
Look at their second bachelor's option, call their topp free, send them your transcripts, then also call [login to see] for USPHS and speak with their recruiters...if you'd want to go clinical, USPHS allows up to 44 in age, you might need to retrain, however, of you'd want clinical, they have a pressing need for psych related clinical, to he aaaiged to the other svcs, in 3 year tours, all I'm saying is, it could be a way, that's the only reason I suggest lookin at it, honest, OK?
Look at their second bachelor's option, call their topp free, send them your transcripts, then also call [login to see] for USPHS and speak with their recruiters...if you'd want to go clinical, USPHS allows up to 44 in age, you might need to retrain, however, of you'd want clinical, they have a pressing need for psych related clinical, to he aaaiged to the other svcs, in 3 year tours, all I'm saying is, it could be a way, that's the only reason I suggest lookin at it, honest, OK?
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You can go past 20 years but you can't be over 60 yrs old.
If you are younger than 46 years old, you can go Warrant. Was your CCC in Infantry? Go MP, Civil.Affairs, Logistics or Engineer which are Combat Support or Combat Service Support in the USAR. There are other Branches like Medical, Chemical, Transportation or Finance that I did not mention. All I'm saying is 11B is important but less so in the USAR. You could go Civil.Affairs. They allow you, in certain units, to go Aiborne, Air Asault or even go to DLI to learn a language and a select few can try out for Ranger School. You could retire as a MSG or Sergeant Major then revert to O-3 retirement Pay.
If you are younger than 46 years old, you can go Warrant. Was your CCC in Infantry? Go MP, Civil.Affairs, Logistics or Engineer which are Combat Support or Combat Service Support in the USAR. There are other Branches like Medical, Chemical, Transportation or Finance that I did not mention. All I'm saying is 11B is important but less so in the USAR. You could go Civil.Affairs. They allow you, in certain units, to go Aiborne, Air Asault or even go to DLI to learn a language and a select few can try out for Ranger School. You could retire as a MSG or Sergeant Major then revert to O-3 retirement Pay.
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