Posted on Mar 15, 2015
What are the best online degree programs for the military?
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I earned a degree online through North Georgia University (formerly NGCSU). It wasn't a joke; it took a ton of commitment and a lot of time, but it was an awesome experience and I walked away with a lot more than just a piece of paper (Plus, they price right around TA-levels, so best value I've found).
I've talked to some Soldiers, NCOs and Officers who've gone through online programs and complained: professors weren't engaged, their classmates came across as idiots, or that the classes just weren't challenging (if you got through it, you'd have a degree but it was about the piece of paper).
What's your experience?
What are the best online programs you've found or heard about?
The ones you'd personally stay away from?
I've talked to some Soldiers, NCOs and Officers who've gone through online programs and complained: professors weren't engaged, their classmates came across as idiots, or that the classes just weren't challenging (if you got through it, you'd have a degree but it was about the piece of paper).
What's your experience?
What are the best online programs you've found or heard about?
The ones you'd personally stay away from?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
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I laugh when I hear people stating that online classes are easy. I NEVER wrote so many research papers in my life. Accredited online colleges are insanely demanding because you have NO idea what to focus on. If theclass has 3 books you read them all cover to cover, at least twice! Psych classes averaged about 200 pages of writing per class. Get used to 25 pages at the graduate level. I'm not giving an endorsement or free advertising. My profile lists my schools. Not well known, but VERY challenging and regionally/nationally accredited. Great thread idea CPT (Join to see)
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MSgt Scott Gaston
SO true, My MBA through Liberty University was online via Satellite from Bagram, K-2, and finally finished from Camp As Sayliyah, Doha, Qatar. I am 34 hours into mt Doctorate in Business Administration at present (though on hold)...It takes a great deal of Self Discipline and attention to detail. There are no "Class attendance and interaction points". Most of the time you are also doing "Full Time" work and "Full Time" class loads simultaneously as well! By comparison, my Undergrad degree (BS Business Administration/Accounting) was done in residence and I graduated Magna Cum Laude (3.864) vs MBA On-Line 3.90 GPA on the front lines! Obviously these two degrees GPAs were close regardless of venue! Hard work is hard work, hang in there!
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SrA Donna Patrick
I also go to Liberty and I love it but it is NO JOKE. I've also have never written so many research papers in my life. Proper formatting! UGH! I graduate at the end of this term with my second Master's Degree (human services counseling and marketplace chaplaincy) from Liberty. Mark, I agree: the reading is immense. I finally got smart and started buying kindle books. Scott, good luck on the doctorate!
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MSgt Scott Gaston
Thanks...if I can just get that last 6 hours of Academics finished to start my dissertation!!!
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CPO Nate S.
Yep, It was funny! One of my remote professors spoke with me off-line to complement me on my writing. He said - I am glad to have you military folks in class. Some of the younger inexperienced people I get have very little perspective. It is great to have critical thinkers.
These classes are hard, but oh so worth the effort!
These classes are hard, but oh so worth the effort!
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I got my MBA in Accounting from AIU (AmericanIntercontinnental University) it is known as the serious university. I received my Bachelors in Business and Finance though CTU . Colorado Technical University, which has a brick and mortar campus with an athletic department. Both schools were tough, but my capstone class at AIU killed my 3.97 GPA. It was the most difficult class I ever had. I plan on getting my doctorate at Northcentral University online. They have one of the highest ratings for my degree program.
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I enjoyed my experience at Capella University online. The classes were well done and I learned a lot. When I was doing my research, I found out that Capella has a good reputation as a for profit university. The recommendations came from other professors at a local university.
Now if I could only find a job in my new field. That would be great!
Now if I could only find a job in my new field. That would be great!
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CPO Bernie Penkin
Hi Capt. My field of study was Information Security and assurance. The online experience worked well with my work schedule and family commitments. Took 12 credits at a time.
Did you teach at Capella?
Did you teach at Capella?
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Another option for ILE graduates is Central Michigan University. I am currently finishing a Master's of Science in Administration. CMU provided 15 credits for ILE requiring only an additional 21 credits of coursework. The cost per credit hour was slightly above TA. I chose this school for a couple of various factors: inexpensive, reduced duration to graduation and it is a brick/mortar school.
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LCDR John Sahlin
Chief Penkin, your comment is precisely my point about for profit programs. You may have enjoyed the experienceand found it fulfilling, but the reputation of for profit schools is not likely to help you build a professional network that will get you a job in field. Please see my previous post about how hiring managers (esp in the technology industry) view degrees from for profit schools.
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CPO Bernie Penkin
Thanks for your response. I see what you are saying, but I am not about to start over.
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I used AMU for my undergraduate in History. I thought the classes were challenging and beneficial. For my MBA in Human Resources I went to Trident University International. Again not bad but a big workload.
I think a few people have hit the nail on the head. I cannot emphasize this enough: MAKE SURE ANY SCHOOL YOU GO TO IS 'REGIONALLY' ACCREDITED. National accreditation is basically a diploma mill and courses typically do not transfer. If you see a school that is Distance Education Training Council (DETC), it is usually a nationally accredited institution and not worth your time unless it has a regional accreditation with it. And DETC schools love to target military. They convince you to give them all your TA, but give you a worthless degree. Be careful brothers and sisters.
I think a few people have hit the nail on the head. I cannot emphasize this enough: MAKE SURE ANY SCHOOL YOU GO TO IS 'REGIONALLY' ACCREDITED. National accreditation is basically a diploma mill and courses typically do not transfer. If you see a school that is Distance Education Training Council (DETC), it is usually a nationally accredited institution and not worth your time unless it has a regional accreditation with it. And DETC schools love to target military. They convince you to give them all your TA, but give you a worthless degree. Be careful brothers and sisters.
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MSgt Jamie Lyons
MSG Howell Yes AMU is REGIONALLY ACCREDITED. North Central Association of Schools and Colleges if I remember correctly. IMO only, AMU was a great school for the military personnel because everyone of my professors adjusted my assignment due dates to help me complete my schooling. I was also an aircrew member and often was on the other side of the world when they were due. Most of the time they said just hand in my assignment when I got back.
Most of the courses fit perfectly with TA also. In addition the classes start every month so when i finished one I was able to start the next one at the beginning of the month. I just kept rolling knocking out courses.
The school interface was excellent. After you select your major all the courses are highlighted that you need to complete. Just click on the next course and register with TA. You can see how much you have completed and what is next.
Lastly when I went there, they had a program that if you were using TA, they would provide your books at no cost! As long as you maintained a 'C' or better they were yours to keep. The funny thing was they often offer to buy back the books at the end of the course. Since I wasn't paying for tuition nor my books, I sold them back. Basically I was getting paid to complete my degree!
Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions as I would be more than willing to help you out anyway I can MSG.
Most of the courses fit perfectly with TA also. In addition the classes start every month so when i finished one I was able to start the next one at the beginning of the month. I just kept rolling knocking out courses.
The school interface was excellent. After you select your major all the courses are highlighted that you need to complete. Just click on the next course and register with TA. You can see how much you have completed and what is next.
Lastly when I went there, they had a program that if you were using TA, they would provide your books at no cost! As long as you maintained a 'C' or better they were yours to keep. The funny thing was they often offer to buy back the books at the end of the course. Since I wasn't paying for tuition nor my books, I sold them back. Basically I was getting paid to complete my degree!
Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions as I would be more than willing to help you out anyway I can MSG.
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I had the opportunity to return to school 5 years ago for an MBA. I looked at a lot of programs, and decided that a classroom experience would be the best for me. Keller Graduate School has a campus nearby, so I signed up with them. I needed four courses over the course of three years online. I found all of the courses stimulating, but the interaction in the classroom, and the direct connection for group projects was much more effective for me. Keller is a for-profit school, but the accreditation met the requirements for my current job.
Bottom line will always be, how much effort each person puts in it, and how well they apply the information they receive while in their studies.
Bottom line will always be, how much effort each person puts in it, and how well they apply the information they receive while in their studies.
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I earned my AA and BA through traditional brick and mortar institutions and my MA through American Military University. Just like you, I found the on-line experience more challenging.
I think AMU is an excellent choice for any military member, in part because they were built and founded on taking care of soldiers. My one complaint would be that they did increase graduate tuition above TA, so at that level you do have some limited out of pocket expenses...but even that was not much.
I think AMU is an excellent choice for any military member, in part because they were built and founded on taking care of soldiers. My one complaint would be that they did increase graduate tuition above TA, so at that level you do have some limited out of pocket expenses...but even that was not much.
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I burn't the post 9/11 GI bill in just under three years to get my bachelor's degree in technical management. I wouldn't have graduated if it was not for one of the amazing instructors at Devry University. Personally, I would not recommend Devry to anyone, but some of the instructors they have down in Southfield, Michigan are awesome.
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Online education is very convenient, however there are many scams out there, so you have to be careful. The best bet is to enroll into an online program in a university that is also a traditional brick and mortar school (preferably public school, or a decently priced non-profit private). Make sure to check if the schools are accredited (http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/)
I would also recommend staying away from the strictly online schools and for-profit colleges (The University of Phoenix, Sanford Brown, DeVry University, and ITT Technical Institute are just a few of the more popular ones). They are expensive, and students who enroll end up with debt that far outweighs that of their nonprofit and public school peers. There have been several news reports (including 60 Minutes) done about dangers and issues of for-profit colleges.
I would also recommend staying away from the strictly online schools and for-profit colleges (The University of Phoenix, Sanford Brown, DeVry University, and ITT Technical Institute are just a few of the more popular ones). They are expensive, and students who enroll end up with debt that far outweighs that of their nonprofit and public school peers. There have been several news reports (including 60 Minutes) done about dangers and issues of for-profit colleges.
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CW3 Jonathan Cosmos
I completed my bachelors at DeVry and you definitely pay for the convenience of a online school. However, DeVry worked very well for my situation as I had completed all my general education requirements at a community college and I just needed to knock out my upper division classes as quickly as possible. I was able to get in an start my classes quickly and I had the option of taking completely online classes or classes that were in a physical classroom. The best part was the post 911 GI Bill paid for all of my degree so I graduated with zero debt.
DeVry is definitely not the school for everyone. Again it worked for me, but like others have said. You need to do your homework and determine if the school will work for you.
DeVry is definitely not the school for everyone. Again it worked for me, but like others have said. You need to do your homework and determine if the school will work for you.
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I attained both my B.S. and M.A. degrees through online programs and the experiences I had were worlds apart. My B.S. (Criminal Justice) was through Troy University (AL), and it was as you describe other's experiences - disengaged instructors, and a lackluster program that was so easy to fake it through, that I never bought a text book through to graduation.
Then, I found a Masters program online through Concordia University (St. Paul, MN), and my notion of online learning was thrown on its proverbial head. I started with a two-day residency on campus meeting the other 11 students in my cohort and meeting each of the instructors I was going to have throughout the program. The very first paper I wrote in the very first class I was enrolled in was not graded the week I submitted it. When I inquired with the instructor about whether she received my paper or not, she replied that she had received a paper with four sentences of meaningful words and five other pages of useless fluff (I believe she even called it garbage).
Needless to say I worked my tail off to ensure my papers were 99% full of useful words from then on (nobody's perfect right...?). The Criminal Justice Leadership program at Concordia was great, and made even more great by the instructors and the other students in my cohort. Of the 11 I started (and graduated) with, I am still in regular contact with seven of them.
As far as what I would stay away from now that I have been in the world of academia for a while, is any online program at a school that is nationally accredited - the opportunities coming out of these schools is hampered by that title alone I have found. And, even though I work in the for-profit career college realm, I would make sure to do extensive research on statistics from these colleges to make sure you are going to come out prepared for the workforce, or at the least that the knowledge gleaned in these programs is useful to you in your current and future positions.
In short (after this long response) is research the hell out of schools to find exactly what you are looking for...there are so many options, but not all of them are good obviously!
Then, I found a Masters program online through Concordia University (St. Paul, MN), and my notion of online learning was thrown on its proverbial head. I started with a two-day residency on campus meeting the other 11 students in my cohort and meeting each of the instructors I was going to have throughout the program. The very first paper I wrote in the very first class I was enrolled in was not graded the week I submitted it. When I inquired with the instructor about whether she received my paper or not, she replied that she had received a paper with four sentences of meaningful words and five other pages of useless fluff (I believe she even called it garbage).
Needless to say I worked my tail off to ensure my papers were 99% full of useful words from then on (nobody's perfect right...?). The Criminal Justice Leadership program at Concordia was great, and made even more great by the instructors and the other students in my cohort. Of the 11 I started (and graduated) with, I am still in regular contact with seven of them.
As far as what I would stay away from now that I have been in the world of academia for a while, is any online program at a school that is nationally accredited - the opportunities coming out of these schools is hampered by that title alone I have found. And, even though I work in the for-profit career college realm, I would make sure to do extensive research on statistics from these colleges to make sure you are going to come out prepared for the workforce, or at the least that the knowledge gleaned in these programs is useful to you in your current and future positions.
In short (after this long response) is research the hell out of schools to find exactly what you are looking for...there are so many options, but not all of them are good obviously!
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SSgt Joe V., I laughed at your story about your first paper. I think most of us, intentionally or not, have tested the bounds of professors to see how they will challenge and hold us accountable for our work. It's always a kick in the gut when you get a response like that, but man, do you respect them and yourself more for the work you end up producing after that. Thanks for the response.
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I completed my online degree though Embry Riddle. The classes and instructors were relevant to the degree I was pursuing. They even sent an instructor to Afghanistan to teach a compressed on-site class. I was stationed at Fort Campbell Ky and the Embry Riddle staff was always on point and ready to help. When I got out and moved home to WA I still completed the rest of my degree program with the ER staff at Fort Campbell.
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