Posted on May 18, 2015
SGT Jamell Culbreath
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I would say the sense of brotherhood or feeling like they are part of something bigger.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Everyone's missed the long boat so far. Tough love time again.

IGNORANCE! ASSUMPTIONS!

There are the nasty mountains that have to be climbed to be successful. Businesses do have some like for the discipline, drive, etc. that an ex-mil can bring to the table, but it ends there. You have to understand different cultures, processes, business practices, sense of timing, etc. and you better come up to speed in it because business will only invest so much time and money in you before they write you off. Failure to assimilate is one reason many Vets have a hard time making it. They can't or won't and then wonder why.

So it's never too early to get schooled up on life on the outside. Seeking out current Reservists who work both sides is a good thing for mentoring and learning the ropes. Seek them out when they are around. Federal, State, and Local governments have process driven hiring systems with varying degrees of preferences and protections. Commercial sector is much more free wheeling. They're trying to figure out if you'll make them money. It's an investment gamble for them. So anything you can to to improve THEIR odds, not yours, will help. Slick talk and BS performance assures an early exit and word will circulate about you faster than liberty in Subic.

The last recession was actually good for many businesses. They got rid of their dead wood and rode out the storm. Now work is picking back up but not so much the hiring as they're leery of what stupid things the Feds will do so they're keeping their marbles. When they do hire, they can select amongst those who are ready to hit the road running because they're out there. They are avoiding the dead wood. Besides those who stopped looking for work, long term unemployment is a flag for dead wood so employers screen those candidates more closely.

I can't stress more that military service doesn't mean "Anointment". However it can mean "Ointment" in that it can smooth your way in ahead of non military. However you have to know when and how to apply it and where. Rubbing it into someone's nose won't help. That's where your assumptions can hurt. Just because you have specialized experience doesn't mean a prospective employer cares about it. It's your job to provide the translation services, not theirs.

I was in the hiring game for contractors a long time. The principles of what you're looking for is similar. Capability, experience is fine but you have to know how to communicate it in terms that the employer sees will add to their success.
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LTC Chad Storlie
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Jamell,

The one central issue is that military experience, especially combat experience and deployment experience, make military veterans, Guard, and Reserve great employees . The caveat is that military experience must be translated and applied in a way that supports the employer's culture, operations, and practices. Veterans and Reserve members often ask themselves, "What can I do as a military veteran to quickly and effectively help an organization succeed?" It appears to be a simple question, but in a new business, a federal government role, a nonprofit, or educational institution, this can be a daunting challenge. Today's employment environment is often characterized by few opportunities, a high degree of risk avoidance by companies in hiring practices, and an ongoing focus on employee productivity. However, you can quickly become a top candidate when you present all of your military experience in a way that directly supports the organization's primary goals. The secret for veterans is to constantly and consistently translate, leverage, and demonstrate all that your military experience can do for an organization's success.

The good news for military veterans is that employers -- whether high technology, manufacturing, finance, or construction -- all are eager to employ more veterans. In June 2010, the Society of Human Resource Managers released a survey on HR Managers opinions about hiring military veterans. Greater than 80 percent of HR Managers were interested in military veterans because of their dedication, experience, and commitment. However, 60 percent of those same HR Managers felt that military veterans needed to do more to translate their military skills into business applications (SHRM, June 2010, Employing Military Personnel and Recruiting Veterans). The first key point from the SHRM study is military veterans have skills that businesses admire, and businesses want to hire veterans. The second key point is that veterans need to re-examine their entire range of skills and determine how they can apply more of them to the job they have (or the job they want). Veterans do best when they adjust their military skills to the company's culture and work processes. Again, there's no time to complain; dig in, and get it done.

I think that one of my hardest transitions came when I moved back from serving as a U.S. Army Special Forces officer in combat in Iraq to emerging as a successful and dynamic commercial leader. In 2003, I was the lead planning officer for a special operations unit numbering over 5,000 people and I lead a planning staff of up to 20 people. Based in Baghdad, it was a dangerous, demanding and complex position where small errors could lead to enormous consequences. Then in less than 20 days, I was back, at a desk, in a different city, relearning how to apply my military skills to make a new organization successful.

The secret to a successful transition was the same as being successful in the military. Smile more, project confidence to your employees, listen more than you speak, ask a lot of questions, get out of the office to understand a situation, help others advance their careers and fully recognize the role of others in your success. Being seen as a leader who is humble, honest, demanding, analytical and rewarding is a great way to rise in an organization.

Military veterans, Guard, and Reserve have the attributes, skills, leadership, and transferable skills that business needs today. One of the examples that veterans can use today both for seeking employment and for their career advancement is the concept of P-A-C-E, a planning tool from my Army Special Forces days. P-A-C-E stands for Primary-Alternate-Contingency-Emergency and I used it to build networks around my Primary, Alternate, Contingency, and Emergency employment plans. That way each of the contacts and networks that I constructed would independently support one of the four or five job prospects that I was pursuing. If it seems a bit over the top, that's because it was. As a job changer, an industry switcher and a person seeking promotion in a down economy, you need to stack the deck in your favor, get known, and reduce stereo types. Another area that veterans can add immediate value for business is to help coach and develop other employees in a similar fashion that they did in the military using the Performance Counseling Statement. When counseling in the military, the leader describes what happened, how the soldier performed against the standard, then creates an improvement plan to help the soldier succeed, and finally follow ups frequently to ensure the improvement plan is succeeding. The same performance counseling session can be used in a commercial organization. When I was at a former company, I had a 15+ year employee thank me for doing a performance coaching and career planning session with tears in her eyes because it was the first time a leader had stopped, understood her goals, and then created a plan to help her succeed. Another great military to business skill is the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP). SOP's are every day, common and vital activity whose performance is a foundation for the success of the organization. To be successful and to ensure adoption, SOP's must be based upon employee input and design. McDonald's is an unrivaled master at common food preparation and food service procedures. The incorporation of employees and management to draft, test, and finalize important procedures are essential. The more common the procedures, the greater the value when conditions change.

Leadership by example and helping your employees succeed goes far both in the military and in business. On a daily basis, I also use some of my core military experience to become better in business. In 1990, I was a U.S. Army platoon leader on the demilitarized zone in Korea, my employees and mid-level managers (soldiers and noncommissioned officers) constantly reinforced the need to go out and see the reality on the ground. Today, more than 20 years later, there is nothing better than a ground-level discussion with customers and on-the-ground leaders to discern the true customer need, how the company actually performs and what steps are necessary to create the best customer value. There is one more military skill set that allowed me to do well. The first is the application of my military skills in leadership, planning, risk management and intelligence that helped me do competitive analysis and various contingency planning, especially for new product launches. Military skill sets, when adapted to your specific organization’s requirements and culture, are powerful.

Here is some background:





A. Here are some links to articles that I have written that discuss how to translate and apply military skills to business:

Every Veteran Hired Blog Posts - http://www.everyveteranhired.com/author/cstorlie/

Task & Purpose Blog Posts - http://taskandpurpose.com/author/chad-storlie/

Harvard Business Review Blog Posts -http://blogs.hbr.org/chad-storlie/

EHS Today - http://ehstoday.com/safety-leadership/let-s-be-careful-out-there-what-us-army-can-teach-employers-about-working-safely

Sioux City Journal - http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/opinion/columnists/other-voices-apply-lessons-of-d-day-for-business-success/article_5c4b50cf-97a2-5d87-9599-de170cce794f.html

Oxford Leadership Journal - http://www.oxfordleadership.com/journal/vol2_issue1/storlie.pdf

Orlando Business Journal - http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2014/08/5-military-leadership-skills-that-can-help-junior.html
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SGT Jamell Culbreath
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Thank you sir! You made some excellent points!!!! I will use them to assist other Veterans transitioning or who have transitioned to the civilian sector with translating their skill sets.
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What are the biggest barriers military veterans face once leaving the service?
SGT Jeremiah B.
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Transition and reintegration can be extremely difficult. The civilian world is so different that many service members go running back to the military within a year. Wrapping your head around the lack of structure, "lax discipline" and individualistic mindset is important.

The other is properly converting your military experience into transferable or at least meaningful civilian skills. The transition program isn't great for this. I can't recommend paying a professional resume writer to help you get this done enough!
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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Is this why many veterans try to become self employed, so they don't have to worry about working with and working for idiots? By being self employed, they can control who is hired, fired and even who speaks.
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Stereotypes..both our own and civilian ideas of us. Stereotypes are not usually positive. Even in some gov agencies, I've heard remarks that we aren't particularly bright, had no other options, etc...and take great pains to correct that kind of thinking. Still shocks me to hear it even today.
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 I found that my resume as a senior NCO scared folks off....no one in the civilian world wants to hire someone to work for them who many be able to do the job better.   Without a post graduate degree its a tough world out there.....no one knows or cares what a First Shirt, Group Superintendent, Functional Manager, etc is.....what they see is wow this guy's unit was 10 times the size of this place....if I hire him or her they may take my job......sad but true......I had to dumb down my resume so much that i almost had less experience than a high school graduate and even after getting my foot in the door still have to be careful not to "over perform"....it's not as appreciated in the civilian world as it is in the military...anyway back to your questions the biggest barriers I faced and still face are:

1. Being over qualified for the job i'm in (note I wanted this job the low stress is nice for a change, but I do have to tread carefully so my boss does not think i want their job)
2. Being Retired Military----no one wants a retiree they want a young veteran
3. Lack of civilian equivalent for AFSC/MOS
4. Folks not understanding that how much I get paid is not as important to me as how happy I am in the job. 

There are more but that's probably my top 4
LT Charles Baird
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MSgt Ronald Stacy

1. Being overqualified; interesting; I have been in the civilian world since 1997 and have yet to meet a person coming out of the military that is overqualified; you would be the first.

2. Being retired - a lot of employers worry that because your retired if they hire you and one day you get pissed off you may quite because you have a steady income with your retirement check; how can they be assured that you are going to be there for 3 - 5 years or more? Most young veterans don't have a retirement and have families to support so they are seen as less apt to move on if something does not go exactly right.

3. Lack of civilian equivalent - do you mean type of position?

4. I can see that
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Lt Charles Baird you have not met me.....lol

on a serious note as a 20 year AF medic I am vastly overqualified for entry level medical assistant and technician jobs......the concerns I hear are along the lines of "you are just looking for a stepping stone' " you will get bored" " we cant afford to pay you for your experience" etc.....I would argue that anyone who does 20 years in the service will be overqualified for entry to mid level jobs in their primary MOS/AFSC.....keeping in mind that most ENLISTED jobs are trade skills.

2. concur.....ageism

3. yes there are not civilian equivalent for combat medic (an no paramedic is not the same)....the AF, well services in general, qualify thier enlisted personnel to do many thing to meet mission requirements....unfortunately these skills do not easily translate into civilian jobs....for example IDMTs, now there are several reasons for this the least of which is every time the AF does try to do a certification program folks get the certification and bail......I was a Sqd Sup when I got out.....there is no entry to mid level position close to what i did....and when you start trying to tell folks what it is (we will go with, uneducated (no degree), executive position in a mid size to fortune 500 company depending on size of Sq they get scared off or think you are inflating responsibilities.

4. This is actually the hardest.....it gets misinterpreted as lack of drive or concern....when what is actually is is pure bliss at make $70K+ a year as a "insert low level job here" anyway.....peace, love and democracy to all.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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This is one reason why I am planning my financial bed to lay in, and I plan to go back to college and work part time.
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CPT Alex Lamb
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This. Right here. Thumbs up.

I'm also about to begin the path to transitioning out to become a rotor pilot. I've been seriously leaning forward on my nest egg for the last six month to build up my financial base made from deployment leftovers.

I seriously plan to go to school, meet people, maybe work part time, and live responsibly off what I am earning NOW.

There are going to be nothing short of a dozen other individual challenges to overcome, I dont need to worry about finances along the way too.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SSG (ret) William Martin
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CPT Alex Lamb, thanks for the thumbs up. I want to go to law school, and defend the constitution with a ball point pen instead of an M4 and a pistol.
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LTC Gavin Heater
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I think jargon poses a considerable barrier, meaning the industry words employers use and the technical lingo service members use. A potential candidate may get bypassesed for what their resume says despite having the skills. Take advantage of review services and networking.
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Sgt David G Duchesneau
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With the guys that work Security and Investigations with and for us, it's letting go!
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Sgt David G Duchesneau
Sgt David G Duchesneau
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You know, I could go on and on about this subject but like I said, letting go is a big problem for transitioning vets. I have several of my agents that work with us and they have a hard time just letting go and fitting into civilian life. I have one retired Navy SEAL and he is such a great guy and very dependable but he also has a hard time with just doing the normal everyday things because he still has that Military mind set. Everything in his day has always been planned out for him and now, he has to think outside of the box, if you will. In time, he will eventually get it, but right now, he does have a big problem of just letting go of that Military Mind Set.
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SGT David T.
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This is a really big question. I can only speak for what I experienced. I felt a loss of identity when I was discharged because I had tied so much of who I was to what I did for a living. I knew exactly who SGT Thomas was but didn't have a clue who David was. Another thing I found difficult was that no one cared about my military service. We have a sense of pride and comradeship that civilians don't. As such we see how important what we do is. In entering the civilian workforce no one really cares what I did before only what value I can provide them in the here and now. Another hard thing I ran into was translating my military skills into civilian terms. It may be better now but when I did ACAP it was pretty much worthless and didn't help me one bit. Luckily, I have a good support structure with some of my fellow vets and was mentored on how to obtain civilian employment. I look back on that first year after ETS and it was rough, but with a little bit or hard work, flexibility, and the age old adapt, improvise, over come and drive on things work out for the best.
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SGT Jamell Culbreath
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Mentoring and sponsorship is KEY to successful transition from military to civilian sector.
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