Posted on Sep 8, 2016
What are the pros and cons of a Clinton presidency? What are the pros and cons of a Trump presidency?
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Ok, RP. The two month countdown to the 2016 election begins today. Primaries are the crawl phase, and campaigning is the walk phase. This is the running phase of the election. Lots of talk has been directed at who would make a better commander in chief, but which candidate has the skills of a chief executive? Which candidate is likely to address egalitarian concerns of the general electorate? What is the public looking for this election cycle?
Election 2016
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Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
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Its all about the supreme court, and for that reason alone I can't even consider a Republican this cycle (and Trump is no Republican).
We have thirty years of conservative majority on the Supreme Court, and I will be very happy to see thirty years of the other side, protecting abortion rights and reestablishing the very damaged wall of separation between church and state.
We have thirty years of conservative majority on the Supreme Court, and I will be very happy to see thirty years of the other side, protecting abortion rights and reestablishing the very damaged wall of separation between church and state.
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LTC (Join to see)
SFC Bernard Walko - FBI and state have confirmed she sent no classified material.
Trump University, however, deliberately targeted gullible people and bilked them out of their savings while providing nothing in return. It was a pure fraud scheme, snake oil sales, and NOT something I consider even remotely acceptable.
The right has made a 25-year project out of trying to smear her, because they knew she was going to run, and unsmeared, they knew they couldn't beat her. It really is that simple.
She isn't perfect, far from it, lets say everything the right accuses her of is true, then the fact that she got away with all of it despite the full power of a GOP house AND senate trying to nail her, well that would make her about the smartest person ever to walk the earth, and damned sure smart enough to serve as POTUS.
Trump University, however, deliberately targeted gullible people and bilked them out of their savings while providing nothing in return. It was a pure fraud scheme, snake oil sales, and NOT something I consider even remotely acceptable.
The right has made a 25-year project out of trying to smear her, because they knew she was going to run, and unsmeared, they knew they couldn't beat her. It really is that simple.
She isn't perfect, far from it, lets say everything the right accuses her of is true, then the fact that she got away with all of it despite the full power of a GOP house AND senate trying to nail her, well that would make her about the smartest person ever to walk the earth, and damned sure smart enough to serve as POTUS.
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LTC (Join to see)
SFC Bernard Walko - Both parties have had good and bad policies, and most policy disagreements have valid arguments on both sides. Conservatives complain about entitlements, but give subsidies to big business. Liberals give services to regular people and tax the wealthy to pay for it. Both are right, and both are wrong, depending on your ideology, and good governance comes when the two parties are represented by rational people who understand that the opposing view may be different, but is every bit as valid.
My complaint about the GOP is a mostly recent swing, really gathering steam in the 1990s with the introduction and active courting of the religious right. Before that, neither party had a religious agenda, and religion pretty much stayed out of politics, which was the part of the grand bargain of religion not being taxed or interfered with by government. The religious right took the fiscally conservative GOP and made it a socially conservative party. Then came the Tea Party and the push for ideological purity and the absolute refusal to compromise. "My way or the highway" might sound nice, but this country has a large population of liberals, a large population of conservatives, and a far larger population of moderates in the middle. Liberals and moderates won't go for hardcore conservatism (especially social conservatism) any more than conservatives and moderates will go for hard core liberalism.
I blame the GOP more, but I blame the Democrats as well. Bernie Sanders was far too left, and his ideas have pushed Hillary Clinton and the national party to a platform that is far too left. On the spectrum though, they are still far closer to center than the GOP platform is.
Donald Trump is something else entirely as he is definitely no Republican and definitely not conservative. He isn't liberal or moderate either, he's just an arrogant, ignorant, asshole.
There are many Republicans I like, and believe it or not, I donated a lot more money to GOP presidential candidates this cycle than to Democrats. The maximum donation an individual can give to a presidential candidate is $2700, and I gave exactly that amount to three candidates this year. I gave it to Hillary Clinton so that she could beat Bernie Sanders who I find unacceptable, and I gave it to Lindsay Graham and Jeb Bush so that they could beat Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, who to me are far, far worse than anything this country has ever seen. Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum are even worse than Cruz and Trump, but I never considered either of them as having any chance at all of winning the primary.
My complaint about the GOP is a mostly recent swing, really gathering steam in the 1990s with the introduction and active courting of the religious right. Before that, neither party had a religious agenda, and religion pretty much stayed out of politics, which was the part of the grand bargain of religion not being taxed or interfered with by government. The religious right took the fiscally conservative GOP and made it a socially conservative party. Then came the Tea Party and the push for ideological purity and the absolute refusal to compromise. "My way or the highway" might sound nice, but this country has a large population of liberals, a large population of conservatives, and a far larger population of moderates in the middle. Liberals and moderates won't go for hardcore conservatism (especially social conservatism) any more than conservatives and moderates will go for hard core liberalism.
I blame the GOP more, but I blame the Democrats as well. Bernie Sanders was far too left, and his ideas have pushed Hillary Clinton and the national party to a platform that is far too left. On the spectrum though, they are still far closer to center than the GOP platform is.
Donald Trump is something else entirely as he is definitely no Republican and definitely not conservative. He isn't liberal or moderate either, he's just an arrogant, ignorant, asshole.
There are many Republicans I like, and believe it or not, I donated a lot more money to GOP presidential candidates this cycle than to Democrats. The maximum donation an individual can give to a presidential candidate is $2700, and I gave exactly that amount to three candidates this year. I gave it to Hillary Clinton so that she could beat Bernie Sanders who I find unacceptable, and I gave it to Lindsay Graham and Jeb Bush so that they could beat Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, who to me are far, far worse than anything this country has ever seen. Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum are even worse than Cruz and Trump, but I never considered either of them as having any chance at all of winning the primary.
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Last I read a few weeks ago, the three marked "C" emails FBI found were confirmed by state to have had the classified material stripped out before they were sent to Clinton.
Regardless, the email issue is not enough to change my vote. NOTHING could change my vote so long as Donald Trump is the other candidate.
Regardless, the email issue is not enough to change my vote. NOTHING could change my vote so long as Donald Trump is the other candidate.
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SFC Bernard Walko - Not abortion and religion, but Supreme Court nominations as far as policy issues, and not being a greedy snake oil salesman who campaigned with third grade insults on a personal level.
Donald Trump is the first candidate of either party to truly disgust me.
Donald Trump is the first candidate of either party to truly disgust me.
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Unfortunately this election cycle, there is one issue that, IMV, trumps (PI) all others. The SCOTUS. We know generally what Trump would nominate. We know generally what the cuckquean would nominate. From my viewpoint:
Trump positives include his lack of political "debt", his positions on most issues, and his probable Supreme Court picks.
Trump negatives include his lack of political experience and his tendency to shoot from the hip.
Clinton positives include her gender, her pragmatism, her experience, and the fact that she has been tested.
Clinton negatives include her husband, her failure of most of her tests, her positions on some issues, her inability to "unite" so much as two horny rabbits, and her probable Supreme Court picks.
To paraphrase James Carville from Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign ... "It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!"
Only one choice - Trump
Trump positives include his lack of political "debt", his positions on most issues, and his probable Supreme Court picks.
Trump negatives include his lack of political experience and his tendency to shoot from the hip.
Clinton positives include her gender, her pragmatism, her experience, and the fact that she has been tested.
Clinton negatives include her husband, her failure of most of her tests, her positions on some issues, her inability to "unite" so much as two horny rabbits, and her probable Supreme Court picks.
To paraphrase James Carville from Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign ... "It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!"
Only one choice - Trump
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Pros:
Trump: Not Clinton
Clinton: Not Trump
Cons:
Trump: Trump
Clinton: Clinton
Trump: Not Clinton
Clinton: Not Trump
Cons:
Trump: Trump
Clinton: Clinton
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SPC Margaret Higgins
Thanks for remembering, Anthony- CPT (Join to see)! My cat and my photographs: of plants and flowers- are thriving!
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Have a wondrous evening, Sir!
Most Sincerely, Margaret
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Have a wondrous evening, Sir!
Most Sincerely, Margaret
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CPT (Join to see) Not to digress; could 'we' trust HRC to not make accommodations to other nations based ? on their, (or a surrogate's), past, current or future promises/contributions to the Clinton Foundation?
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Clinton, zero pros, cons many, liberal chief justices, 2nd amendment rights to bear arms would be ratically changed, foriegn policy debacles like Benghazi, breaching security with emails and unauthorized servers that would have thrown me and you in jail ....Trump Many pros...he will take care of the military and vets. Retirees will start getting cola raises in their RAS etc...
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Bill Weld, Libertarian VP nominee, equates AR-15s with weapons of mass destruction
Bill Weld, the Libertarian vice presidential candidate — who by definition should be standing up for individual liberties — came down hard on firearms in an interview with Revolt TV, comparing AR-15 rifles with weapons of mass destruction.
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Well to quote Dinesh D'Souza "With Clinton we know what she has done and what she will probably do and with Trump we don't know anything because he hasn't done anything" that in a nutshell is what we have for our country.
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