Posted on Jul 6, 2017
What are the Pros and cons of switching from the Marine Corps to the Army?
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I would like to advance my military career in special operations, but the gap is closing because of my TIS in the Marine Corps. I do love my Marine Corps, however, it might be time for me to take my desires and experience elsewhere. I'm using this time to finish my degree, and explore my options. I was hoping there was someone who could give me some insight.
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I was an E5 in the Marines and switched to the Army. I love the Marine Corps and it will always have a place in my heart but the Army has proven to be a better experience.
These are my opinions as I witnessed them first hand. Others may have different views.
Marine Pros: Best uniforms and highest esprit de corps hands down. All Marines, regardless of MOS, are held to the same standard and that standard is rigorously enforced. Marines stress the importance of history.
Army Pros: The Army has much better equipment and gear and much better training facilities. The Army has much more opportunity for schools. I've seen in the comments where people have asked you why you don't join Force Recon. I'm sure you would like to. I would have liked it too when I was in, but the fact of the matter is that in the Marines that kind of thing is much harder to come by. In the Army I got to go to Airborne school, Air Assault school, and Ranger school without even asking for it, it was just standard. Two were because I was an Infantry officer and one because of where I was stationed. I never saw those kinds of opportunities for anyone in the Marines. Where will you be stationed in the Marines? East coast, west coast, or Okinawa right? For the most part anyway. In the Army you've got everything from Korea to Italy. Germany to Kentucky. Alaska to Colorado. New York to Louisiana. The options are abundant. I mentioned training facilities earlier. In the Marines, MOUT training consisted of clearing conex trailers with windows and doors cut out of them. In the Army we had entire cities complete with streets, alleys, government buildings, burning cars and civilians acting as locals. And when I was deployed our unit was right next to a Marine unit and I can tell you that we did the same job day in and day out. Both with expert efficiency. Just with a little different lingo. If you're wanting to do Spec Ops, the Army would be a much more likely place for that to happen in my opinion.
Army Cons: The combat arms side of things (specifically the infantry since that's what I can speak to) is very similar to the Marines in standards and esprit de corps. But once you get out of the combat arms, standards drop. Not trying to offend those not in combat arms, but it's what I saw.
It was hard for me to switch from the Marines to the Army because the Marines do a great job of pounding it into your head that Marines are indestructible and everyone else sucks. Well, that's just not the case. There are numerous combat tested and battle-hardened units in the Army. The history of the Army, like the Marines, is nothing short of awe inspiring.
Good luck with your career. If you have any specific question let me know.
These are my opinions as I witnessed them first hand. Others may have different views.
Marine Pros: Best uniforms and highest esprit de corps hands down. All Marines, regardless of MOS, are held to the same standard and that standard is rigorously enforced. Marines stress the importance of history.
Army Pros: The Army has much better equipment and gear and much better training facilities. The Army has much more opportunity for schools. I've seen in the comments where people have asked you why you don't join Force Recon. I'm sure you would like to. I would have liked it too when I was in, but the fact of the matter is that in the Marines that kind of thing is much harder to come by. In the Army I got to go to Airborne school, Air Assault school, and Ranger school without even asking for it, it was just standard. Two were because I was an Infantry officer and one because of where I was stationed. I never saw those kinds of opportunities for anyone in the Marines. Where will you be stationed in the Marines? East coast, west coast, or Okinawa right? For the most part anyway. In the Army you've got everything from Korea to Italy. Germany to Kentucky. Alaska to Colorado. New York to Louisiana. The options are abundant. I mentioned training facilities earlier. In the Marines, MOUT training consisted of clearing conex trailers with windows and doors cut out of them. In the Army we had entire cities complete with streets, alleys, government buildings, burning cars and civilians acting as locals. And when I was deployed our unit was right next to a Marine unit and I can tell you that we did the same job day in and day out. Both with expert efficiency. Just with a little different lingo. If you're wanting to do Spec Ops, the Army would be a much more likely place for that to happen in my opinion.
Army Cons: The combat arms side of things (specifically the infantry since that's what I can speak to) is very similar to the Marines in standards and esprit de corps. But once you get out of the combat arms, standards drop. Not trying to offend those not in combat arms, but it's what I saw.
It was hard for me to switch from the Marines to the Army because the Marines do a great job of pounding it into your head that Marines are indestructible and everyone else sucks. Well, that's just not the case. There are numerous combat tested and battle-hardened units in the Army. The history of the Army, like the Marines, is nothing short of awe inspiring.
Good luck with your career. If you have any specific question let me know.
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Sgt Michael Clifford
I was faced with a similar situation. When I left the Corps after 4 years to attend college I was an E-5 Sergeant. I transferred to the active reserve. I would have remained in the reserves except the college I attended was 150 miles from the nearest unit and it was a grunt unit. I have nothing against grunts, I am one. But running around the woods of North Carolina in February is one thing, running around the woods of the Adirondacks in Feb. is another experience. I was approached a few times by Army Guard and reserve units and I considered making the switch but in the end I just could not switch uniforms.
Semper Fi.
Semper Fi.
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LTC Dr Richard Wasserman
CPT Lawrence Cable - The 10th Mountain is the most deployed unit in the Army unless something changed recently. Plus, you should see these guys doing PT outside in the snow and sub zero weather. I have.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
Sgt Michael Clifford - I lived in the Adirondacks for many years. I have run into elements of the 10th in various training exercises many times in my back country wanderings. I have even worked with a few teams, (mostly medical,) at various times in my fire/EMS/Wilderness Search and Rescue mode.
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CPT Endre Barath
Personally I wonder when people switch from one branch to another.... why ?? but that is just an Airborne, Ranger Infantry Captain thinking outloud... if you are not happy with where you are at the question should be WHY? switching will do what? Endre
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SGT one of my best friends in SF was a former Marine. He was on an amtrak, hope the spelling is correct. After years he started jumping for the Golden Knights then helped establish the Black Daggers. I am not a Marine, I do have the upmost respect for them and worked with them a good bit over the years. I went to SF School with a Force Recon Marine Officer who was attached to the Special Warfare Center.
Sorry I got distracted.
If you feel like you would like to venture into Special Operations, you know that MARSOC is loaded with some knuckle dragging barbarians badasses. However, I spent 20+ in SF and I would not trade it for anything. I traveled the planet, sometimes with a unit sometimes not with a unit.
I lived in South America, worked for the Embassy but was rarely in the Embassy. I loved it. So the bottom line is no matter the service I love special operations.
Sorry I got distracted.
If you feel like you would like to venture into Special Operations, you know that MARSOC is loaded with some knuckle dragging barbarians badasses. However, I spent 20+ in SF and I would not trade it for anything. I traveled the planet, sometimes with a unit sometimes not with a unit.
I lived in South America, worked for the Embassy but was rarely in the Embassy. I loved it. So the bottom line is no matter the service I love special operations.
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MAJ Jpm Mcg
CAPT (Join to see) - You were one of my students!! You guys brought the right attitude to the training. It was an absolute pleasure working with you and your teammates!!
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CW3 James Ives
I was a former Marine Cpl.(E4) in RVN after 10years serving as an LEO I joined the FLARNG Reserve and obtained the rank of CW3 I was attached with the 18th.AB Field Artillery Brigade during operation Desert Storm in Iraq. I was assigned as a FWD Detachment commander Combat support team. I loved the Marines, but I can agree that the ARMY has far more opportunity for advancement than the Marines.
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Pvt Patrick Sanders
One of my Best friends did 4 years in the Marine Corps and then joined the Army and went SF he is now a Colonel in SF. COL. Butcher.
My Dad was an embassy guard in the late 60's in Marine Corps in Balivia and in Canada.
My Dad was an embassy guard in the late 60's in Marine Corps in Balivia and in Canada.
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CPL Theodore Moore
The Marines are the point of the spear. They establish the beach head. The army holds the field. The army is more of a long term mission and can't maintain Marine style intensity. I was maritime army and cross trained with every body but the air force.
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For somebody who is thinking about switching from "The Marines" to the Army, be prepared to be surrounded by level-headed individuals who don't talk about how awesome they are all the time, haha. Just kidding, I have many, many, Marine friends so I'm pretty well informed on how the USMC differs from the Army.
Pros: - More opportunities to advance through more career programs (PSYOPS, SF, Ranger, 160th
SOAR, etc and etc)
- Faster promotions on average (bigger force, more room for advancement)
- Way more opportunities to travel with over 50 Army bases in the continental US alone
- Super cool uniforms
- More money for better equipment and schooling
- Depending on the unit, perhaps a little bit more laid back than what you may be used to
Cons: - Ton of bureaucracy
- Constant uniform changes
- Lots of Creeds that must be memorized just in case you forget how to be an NCO or a soldier
(not sure if this is the same in the USMC)
- Although the Army may be a bit more relaxed, it leaves room for soldiers to become
insubordinate and lack giving the proper military courtesy to their superiors.
Hope this gives you somewhat of an idea. I didn't wanna type forever and bore you with all the reading, haha.
Pros: - More opportunities to advance through more career programs (PSYOPS, SF, Ranger, 160th
SOAR, etc and etc)
- Faster promotions on average (bigger force, more room for advancement)
- Way more opportunities to travel with over 50 Army bases in the continental US alone
- Super cool uniforms
- More money for better equipment and schooling
- Depending on the unit, perhaps a little bit more laid back than what you may be used to
Cons: - Ton of bureaucracy
- Constant uniform changes
- Lots of Creeds that must be memorized just in case you forget how to be an NCO or a soldier
(not sure if this is the same in the USMC)
- Although the Army may be a bit more relaxed, it leaves room for soldiers to become
insubordinate and lack giving the proper military courtesy to their superiors.
Hope this gives you somewhat of an idea. I didn't wanna type forever and bore you with all the reading, haha.
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SP5 Ed Nolan
SFC James Liedtka - Creeds??? Hell the only thing we had a creed about was where the closest place to buy beer was, got out in 1977, sounds like things have really changed. Oh, and I hate the tan boots and the sloppy "fatigues" or whatever they are called now. Starched fatigues and spit shined jump boots looked so much sharper.
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Sgt Sidney Lange
I was a marine before college and worked with army officers who started out in the marines. They switched because of the family benefits which were inadequate in the marines. Something to think about if you get married in the service. Semper Fi.
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PO2 Hubert Linker sorry for just now responding to your comment, Sir. I have to be honest, even though yes, our Aviation units are a soap opera, they are still cush assignments (served with 2nd and 3rd CAB) and enjoyed it.
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CW3 Samuel Cook
USMC SGT moved over to the Army for flight school and Graduated 1986 appointed an WO1. The best military move I made in my life. The Army did not have a Gunny, so your were on your own with the bureaucracy.
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When I was a young Marine infantry NCO, I once mentioned the opportunity of becoming an officer in the Army. One of the LCpls heard me and remarked, “what about Semper Fidelis?” After that, I didn’t give it another thought. A year after finishing a BS and six months after I pinned on SSgt, I was in Quantico for OCS. During TBS, I ran into that same Marine who was now a Sgt. I should of asked if he remembered our brief discussion about the Army.
When it comes down to it, the decision to continue military service all depends on what you want in the long term. Still, I frequently run into other military personnel who either previously served as Marines or served with Marine Corps units; all of them look back with great reverence on their time with the Marine Corps.
I ended up staying in the Marine Corps, starting as a private, retiring as a LtCol. Had a rewarding career, deployed all over the place, worked with other branches and even attended some of their formal schools. In most cases, being an average Marine in the joint environment makes you look like a serious professional when performing along side other service members. In fact, they all look to us for decisiveness and leading by example. I loved serving in those non-Marine Corps environments; I envied their facilities, resources and career opportunities, but I have no regrets at all staying in the Marine Corps.
When it comes down to it, the decision to continue military service all depends on what you want in the long term. Still, I frequently run into other military personnel who either previously served as Marines or served with Marine Corps units; all of them look back with great reverence on their time with the Marine Corps.
I ended up staying in the Marine Corps, starting as a private, retiring as a LtCol. Had a rewarding career, deployed all over the place, worked with other branches and even attended some of their formal schools. In most cases, being an average Marine in the joint environment makes you look like a serious professional when performing along side other service members. In fact, they all look to us for decisiveness and leading by example. I loved serving in those non-Marine Corps environments; I envied their facilities, resources and career opportunities, but I have no regrets at all staying in the Marine Corps.
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If you'd not getting what you want out of the Corps, jump ship. In my case I got out because I kept getting passed over SSGT. I spent 12 years in the Corps. I was a recruiter and I also took on other jobs that were 2 pay grades above me and I still couldn't get promoted. I got out went straight in the Army, got promoted and was able finish out my 20 for retirement. My advice is if you are considering going in the Army, first check with an Army recruiter to see if they are taking prior service. If they are, start getting your ducks in a row. 30 days before you get out of the Corps get a full blown physical, that way you skip MEPS. Take the paperwork with you to the Army recruiter for your enlistment packet. You may have to retrain in another MOS if your current MOS cannot be transferrable or if it is overstrengh for the army. The Army can still use your ASVAB scores from the Corps. However, if your MOS can be transferable, the Army will let you pick 3 duty stations of your choice. If you need more details send me a reply and I can give you the whole process it's very easy
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In my MOS (0431) I most likely would have gotten promoted. But after 8 years I got annoyed with working in an S-4 office. Long story short, I jumped ship to make it to my 20 year mark and retired.
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I went into the US navy in 1993 as a Seabee BU. By the time 1996 rolled around my Rate was locked for advancement. Someone had to die or retire for people to advance.
So after my 6 year contract was up I made the Switch to Army. I Enjoyed it so much more. I was a better fit . So I'm go Army!!
So after my 6 year contract was up I made the Switch to Army. I Enjoyed it so much more. I was a better fit . So I'm go Army!!
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How did you go from seabee to army? What forms? Lol do you remember? Trying to do the same.
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Although not SF I made the switch from Marine Corps to Army. I will say as long as your going SF you won't notice much difference in attitude and comradarie. I switched because I was in field artillery and wanted to be an M.P. the corps said they would rather loose a fully trained marine corporal then let me switch. In and out call garbage. MP's had openings but artillery was short handed. Anyway I have worked alot with S.F. over my last 4 years and have to say they are a great bunch for the most part. The only real difference is they are alot more laid back. But if your talking about general Army units you will be disappointed for the most part. Very few units display esprit de corps. There is no pride in being a soldier for most of the units. Individually you may have out of a 135 man company 10 or 15 that make being a soldier a point of pride. But also I will say coming from the Corps assuming your a squared away Marine you will generally advance quickly and excel in the Army.
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Sgt Vernon Fulmer
SSgt (Join to see) - I was told that I could start the process before I hit that my TIG, however, being so close to graduating, I would be risking my degree. Have you heard of Marines receiving waivers for a situation like this?
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Maybe because they are attempting to clone SF and even the USMC wants to offload MARSOC half the time?
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SPC Daniel Ebker
We had a Marine infantry E5 join my AIT for 19D (Cavalry Scout) when i was in OSUT. He too loved his Corps but opportunities abound in BIG Army (and small!) That are just plain RARE in the Corps.
Many in my family are or have been active USMC but I will say this: CAVALRY esprit d' corps is right up there with the USMC & we're NOT pogues/REMFs
Many in my family are or have been active USMC but I will say this: CAVALRY esprit d' corps is right up there with the USMC & we're NOT pogues/REMFs
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1SG Ernest Stull
I Trained with a force recon Marine in the late 70"s and he was as hard as woodpecker lips and very knowledgeable in winter warfare and survival as I was but he to said that the ARMY had it better. My nephew was in the Marines for eight years and spent most of his time on a ship going from place to place when he got out he joined the ARMY and stated that if he knew how easy the ARMY was he would have joined a lot sooner. LOL.
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Just saying Army is definitely not a con. Heard that joke before good one lol hope you are successful in your branch.
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A lot of Marines I know have switched simply because the Army is bigger.
Much bigger. Which means more room for promotions, and more career fields. Army has far, far more to do in the Special Operations world.
However. Are you a Reservist, or Active? Because of your rank, you will find some issues in trying to switch branches.
Much bigger. Which means more room for promotions, and more career fields. Army has far, far more to do in the Special Operations world.
However. Are you a Reservist, or Active? Because of your rank, you will find some issues in trying to switch branches.
CPT Lawrence Cable
SGT Sean Goodrow - There are two SF Groups in the National Guard, the 19th and 20th. Some friends I went through IOBC were out of the 20th.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
MAJ (Join to see) - 19th in Ohio and West Virginia. I've been told that they are almost always deployed since 9/11.
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