Posted on Apr 2, 2014
What are you opinions on Chaplain Assistants getting "Special Treatment" from their units?
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What are you opinions on Chaplain Assistants getting "Special Treatment" such as exemption from CQ/Staff duty, Comp-Time for working Chapel Services on the weekends, etc. from their units?<div><div><br></div><div>What do you think should Chaplain Assistants be treated differently or should they be treated the same as any other soldier in the unit? <br></div></div>
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1. Look at the nature of their duty position- I have seen my chaplain every where my unit was, and his driver was his chaplain assistant. Chaplain's have no set schedule of duty, o their assistants may have to be on call constantly. 2, They maintain the chapel, no one else and who knows how long their duty day maybe. I suggest you leave them alone, let the chaplain's worry about them and attend your own responsibilities.
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SSG James Sherwood
In my experience, it seemed that cooks and maintenance sections had more irregular hours than 'typical' soldiers. sometimes the mission demands exempted them from things like staff duty and PT with the unit. I say, let the company commander make the call on this one.
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1SG(P) Richard Warren
Pvt Leavitt, not in a peacetime environment. PFC Beggs, that was not terribly professional. SGT Castro, his CO is not God, he is just the representative thereof. SGM Frazer is spot on.
Chaplaincy is a specialized position with it's own duties and priorities and is therefore exempt from such duties.
Chaplaincy is a specialized position with it's own duties and priorities and is therefore exempt from such duties.
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SPC David Giffen
We medics have also been put in the same light. They see us sitting in our ambulances out on the range. We do it because we have to be somewhere we can be found. It used be I could help in the tower. It was a good spot, they know where I am, and is the first to be notified anyways. A lot of range controls are not allowing that anymore. I sit there because I have to. They don't realize I spent half the night with Private Snuffy because he came back so drunk he's going to choke on his own puke. So I can understand where the CAs are coming from.
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LTC Hillary Luton
Becasue some people think the best way to NOT focus on their job is to worry about what everyone else is doing.
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SSG Buddy Kemper
haters gonna hate..... I can't even SPELL Chaplain....let alone 'assist' one..........LAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD have Mercy!!!!! i'd be struck by lightening!!! haahaa! Cheers, all you warriors.
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I was a cook in the Army. No one complained about us not having to stand in formations, pulling guard/cq....etc...... My guess is when they were on cq & saw me headed to the mess hall at 3:30 am they figured it out.
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SPC Leo Van Groll
SGT Carl Blas - I am currently working at the Wisconsin Natl Guard Military Academy mess hall. They use styrofoam plates in the field. Not sure what they thought was wrong with the old tin mess kits, they created minimal trash & you could eat standing up.
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SGT Carl Blas
Styrofoam, I guess it as a convenience, but the reusable like the mess kit will save alot of money, but then again, The Government it not in the business of saving money, but spending money.
I was told that when working in the Naval ship repair facility, they had a budget, and they were going to spend it no matter what, even adding work just to spend it.
And that's why we today on Guam, don't have a Naval ship repair facility, it got to expensive was the excuse and told. And, the jobs and ship repairs went to Japan, which is more expensive. Lol
Stand up and eat for the infantry in the 70's was the norm, even when walking. What happens when you're getting shot at, tell the enemy, "Stop shooting, we're eating". Lol
I was told that when working in the Naval ship repair facility, they had a budget, and they were going to spend it no matter what, even adding work just to spend it.
And that's why we today on Guam, don't have a Naval ship repair facility, it got to expensive was the excuse and told. And, the jobs and ship repairs went to Japan, which is more expensive. Lol
Stand up and eat for the infantry in the 70's was the norm, even when walking. What happens when you're getting shot at, tell the enemy, "Stop shooting, we're eating". Lol
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CPL Vinnie Vinanti
I have mad respect for the cooks. Especially after seeing them leave for work at 03:00.
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Every job has perks. Some let you grow facial hair. Some "deploy" you to 5 star hotels in Qatar. Some pay more money for special skills. Some work shifts and have three day weekend all the time.
I promise you, they also all have a good deal of crap piled on them too. If the grass is greener on the other side, reclass. If you don't like your job and the perks, or lack of, then change jobs or get out. This is a volunteer force. None of you are serving beyond your initial contract for any reason than you chose to.
I promise you, they also all have a good deal of crap piled on them too. If the grass is greener on the other side, reclass. If you don't like your job and the perks, or lack of, then change jobs or get out. This is a volunteer force. None of you are serving beyond your initial contract for any reason than you chose to.
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SSG William Wall
Oh, great, Chief, let the cat outta the bag... I can see a bump in applications for CI/AI starting tomorrow, first thing. Then, when they find out there's a tactical component that goes along with that clothing allowance, they'll change their minds. :LOL:
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"None of you are serving beyond your initial contract for any reason than you chose to."
That's not exactly accurate; certainly wasn't accurate in Iraq or Afghanistan, and let's not forget all those poor souls who were stop-loss'd....
That's not exactly accurate; certainly wasn't accurate in Iraq or Afghanistan, and let's not forget all those poor souls who were stop-loss'd....
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PFC Jesse V., You are a bit mistaken and reading what you'd like into my words. While I don't like the "stop loss" policy, it didn't change what I said. My words, which you quoted are "None of you are serving beyond your initial contract for any reason other than you choose to." A person who is prevented from ETS by a stop loss is so serving their agreed upon contact. The date of separation may have changed, but unless you sign a new contract (reenlist), you are still under contractual obligations you agreed to.
The enlistment contract has language to legally extend or decrease your time served as part of that contact. If you don't like that, don't enlist, don't reenlist.
Don't like your job, pick a new one. No out calls for your job, drop a Warrant Officer or OCS application. Not ready for those, go EOD, CID, CI, SFAS which can all take you from any job regardless of out call. Still can't handle those choices, get out. Just don't complain about the consequences of your adult decisions or compare them to the consequences of someone else's decisions.
The enlistment contract has language to legally extend or decrease your time served as part of that contact. If you don't like that, don't enlist, don't reenlist.
Don't like your job, pick a new one. No out calls for your job, drop a Warrant Officer or OCS application. Not ready for those, go EOD, CID, CI, SFAS which can all take you from any job regardless of out call. Still can't handle those choices, get out. Just don't complain about the consequences of your adult decisions or compare them to the consequences of someone else's decisions.
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CW3 (Join to see) - Reading what I'd like? I think you're projecting there, as your attitude and response seems to be badgering and over-critical. Still, my words stand, as stop-loss forces one to go beyond their initial contract. The "language to legally extend" did not exist during the time of the second Iraq war and our incursions into Afghanistan, of which I was referring to; the Army and the military at large added that in later.
"Still can't handle those choices, get out. Just don't complain about the consequences of your adult decisions or compare them to the consequences of someone else's decisions."
This was rude and unnecessary, but it's not surprising to hear air-headed opinions from an officer, especially one in a cushy place like Hawaii. You should apologize to everyone in the second Iraq war who were stop-lossed before the language to justify it existed, but that would require a measure of humility you don't seem to have. This conversation is over, good day, sir.
"Still can't handle those choices, get out. Just don't complain about the consequences of your adult decisions or compare them to the consequences of someone else's decisions."
This was rude and unnecessary, but it's not surprising to hear air-headed opinions from an officer, especially one in a cushy place like Hawaii. You should apologize to everyone in the second Iraq war who were stop-lossed before the language to justify it existed, but that would require a measure of humility you don't seem to have. This conversation is over, good day, sir.
As a chaplain assistant myself, my chain of command was the Chaplain and then the Battalion Commander. My responsibilities included duties related to all the S shops as well as care of the chapel, preparing for services, schedule for the chapel, PMCS of the Chaplain’s Humvee, and monitoring and reporting on morale of the unit. As well as being available for soldiers to come and talk to me confidentially in times of need.
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That, and much more is the typical duties of every chaplain assistant. Some days, I wondered if I should have just signed up as a military intel analyst, or maybe an interrogator....I certainly qualified for any job I wanted, but God called me to the chaplaincy, so I went there....
<font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><p align="LEFT">Chaplain Assistants will be provided time off for duties performed during hours which fall outside the normal duty day as established by the unit training schedule, weekends, and holidays. All other absences will be in accordance with AR 600–8–10. </p></font></font>
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Sergeant Major: It is important to note that time off is determined by his or her Chaplain. If I have a slacker assistant, they probably aren't getting much by way of comp time. If they are hard charging, hard working, assistants, they're getting the comp time they deserve.
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Why get upset about what someone else is doing at their job? If it sounds so great, just transfer over and do that job yourself. Just my opinion...
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
Because not just anyone could do what a Chaplain's Assistant does. It's much easier to get mad. Just like children do.
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Well, I've seen garbage chaplain assistants and excellent ones. The garbage ones tend to be non-Christian...
As a Specialist Five crypto tech, my name never appeared on any duty roster until that horrid day when we turned in it sham shields for hard stripes and the CSM decided all "his" NCOs would pull CQ, SDNCO, Headcount etc. That policy lasted until the Signal Center realized that all of us full maintenance types were not available one day because we had pulled or were pulling various duties around post. The CSM was told to "shut up and color" when the Commander of USSCAFG over ruled his policy and had all of us taken off the DA-6. Trust me, when you're exempt from the duty roster there's usually a real good reason.
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CPT Randall Sands
This was what I figured when I asked for the complete story. Due to the nature of their MOS, I bet they are pulling more hours than most of the others.
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Back when I was active (late 90's) the Chaplain Assistants had other duties that took the place of some from the unit. For example, we didn't pull ZQ but we had to man the Chaplain's help line. We pulled that duty more often thant other pulled CQ with the company.
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
Exactly. Some soldiers don't pull the same duties as "regular soldiers" because they are on another whole group of rosters for "special duties" that "regular soldiers" do not have to bother with.
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Seeing as how they are always on call, work every Sunday for the most part and frequently work during their off time I have no problem with them being exempted. Aside from that they have to be ready to respond at a moment's notice
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SPC Jonathan Scott
Like when someone commits suicide at 2am. Or a wife kills a soldier kid while on duty. Our chaplain would come get you if you called and said you had to much to drink because he did not want the unit to get flagged for dui trouble. Also our chaplain and assist were head of troop morale and and all these functions to organize to include wife deployment contact roosters, family activities on non duty hours and weekends. Also on holiday like Xmas and Easter who was their with troops with no family Chaplin and Assistance.
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