Posted on Oct 17, 2014
What are your thoughts on 25th ID's new motorcycle policies?
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Policy letter #11 dated October 7, 2014 signed by 25th ID CG adds a fair number of restrictions/controls for motorcycle riders. I am enforcing this policy and have already made a fair number of corrections around Schofield Barracks, but I just want to know, Why are Motorcycle Riders being targeted? The standard TCLOCS(motorcycle inspection put out by the Motorcycle safety foundation) are no longer used we now have to use the 25th ID inspection form. This new policy is now in effect. It seems like we (Motorcycle Riders) is being discouraged from riding. I understand that it is dangerous, but so is driving a car. I mitigate my risk by wearing my full PPE on my bike just as I mitigate my risk by wearing a seat belt in my car. I ride defensively. I am constantly scanning for hazards on and near the road. I guess my question really is: Why is the Army trying to take away my favorite hobby and stress reliever? I am so much happier when I ride my bike back and forth to work. I actually come home in a good mood. Riding helps me to unwind and leave work at work. Driving a car just doesn't do that for me.
The motorcycle safety link on the 25th ID homepage doesn't work right now but I assume they will post the policy there. 16OCT14
http://www.25idl.army.mil/
Army Safety Program, motorcycle safety is section 11-9 page 68
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r385_10.pdf
The motorcycle safety link on the 25th ID homepage doesn't work right now but I assume they will post the policy there. 16OCT14
http://www.25idl.army.mil/
Army Safety Program, motorcycle safety is section 11-9 page 68
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r385_10.pdf
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 14
Motorcyclists are targeted because it's easier to demean the motorcyclist than it is to hold a "cager" accountable. I've seen so many instances where a rider was doing the right thing but gets hit by a stupid driver then it's all about more training for motorcyclists. Riding a motorcycle is not dangerous but it does have its risks. What is dangerous are the dumb actions of drivers as well as the dumb choices of some motorcyclists.
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Folks...I can't speak for the Army...sounds like you have the pulse there. Let me give you my perspective...the guy on the outside looking in... I ride motorcycles. I've also been the safety officer for multiple commands. I can't tell you how many of the motorcylce accidents that I had to deal with were fatalities but most of them were. On one command, almost 98% of the motorcycle accidents I was notified of were fatalities. Of all the "cagers" that had accidents, there were an average of 16 to 28% that were fatalities. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to talk to the fatalities and of course every witness has their unreliability factors. What I can say is: (1) every single fatality means some commanding officer has to write a letter. What that CO can't say in the letter is that the accident could have been prevented if the motorcyclist had had better training on mitigating the "cagers" blindspots or if the cyclist had modified their behavior, PPE, etc, etc, etc. Then the base commander has to write up the accident and explain what they're doing to prevent a normally preventable accident to all sorts of organizations, Congress, etc, etc. etc. In one command, I know personally that the Base commander made it his personal mission to make it almost impossible for anyone to be permitted to drive a motorcycle on base - from inspections, to increased requirements, etc. ----- all because he was tired of explaining, and writing and explaining and writing and explaining and writing.......on and on and on.
As mentioned in several sections of this thread...the motorcyclist themselves are usually the creators of our own problems. How many of us with more than 12k miles on a bike can honestly say we've never gone around a "cager" when it was obviously not the best time to do it? If you raise your hand....I may start reaching for the bull$hit flag.
Yes, it's a MF on some commands. On one command in Japan the base commander was such a stickler I never registered my Harley on base. I kept it off base in a garage and caught a ride to my bike.
As mentioned in several sections of this thread...the motorcyclist themselves are usually the creators of our own problems. How many of us with more than 12k miles on a bike can honestly say we've never gone around a "cager" when it was obviously not the best time to do it? If you raise your hand....I may start reaching for the bull$hit flag.
Yes, it's a MF on some commands. On one command in Japan the base commander was such a stickler I never registered my Harley on base. I kept it off base in a garage and caught a ride to my bike.
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While I can agree that it seems that us motorcycle enthusiasts are being targeted, I see it like any other ARMY safety policy. The reason the policy exists is due to those individuals who choose not to protect themselves. I see it almost everyday when I am leaving schofield. Soldiers will wear the half sleeves, pull over on the side of the road, and strip down into a tshirt. BLOWS MY MIND. But I will say that this policy, at least regarding the wear of proper PPE does not bother me nor discourage me from riding everyday, rain or shine. I have heard through the riding grape vine as well as from a few MPs on post that they are being told by garrison command to pull over all motorcyclists to check that they have their up to date MSF cards. Should you have it? YES. Is it easy to obtain? YES. Should they target motorcyclists specifically for this purpose? NO. This is why we have a command structure and leaders.
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