Posted on Nov 19, 2016
What are your thoughts on students wearing school uniforms?
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School uniforms help to even out social and economic class differences in the school room.
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I think it is a good idea. It will remove the stigma of "I better dressed than you." That is a form of bullying. It will also mitigate bullying but will not eliminate it. It will also give the teachers the ability of knowing who the student is by not what they are wearing. Another thing it will get rid of is the fashionistas that talk about fashion and what they wear. The things it will not eliminate are the snobs and those that think that they are better than everyone else. But it is a step in the right direction in getting students to remember to learn. Not what they are wearing.
Some will argue that this will take away their individualism. I disagree. They are in school to learn. Not to make fashion statements.
Now if we can figure out a way to get the students to clean the schools after school without getting rid of the janitors. Since that is what the Japanese school kids do after school is over. They clean up their classrooms, bathrooms, and halls before going home. I think that this is a good idea in the respect that it will teach the students responsibility and to remind them that they are caretakers of the school they go to which the Alumni (those that graduated) are the owners.
Some will argue that this will take away their individualism. I disagree. They are in school to learn. Not to make fashion statements.
Now if we can figure out a way to get the students to clean the schools after school without getting rid of the janitors. Since that is what the Japanese school kids do after school is over. They clean up their classrooms, bathrooms, and halls before going home. I think that this is a good idea in the respect that it will teach the students responsibility and to remind them that they are caretakers of the school they go to which the Alumni (those that graduated) are the owners.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
SFC(P) (Anonymous) - It mitigates it. It does not eliminate it. Like I said its a form of bullying.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
TSgt Scott Hurley At what age or point do children become snobs? seems like this is also an issue that needs to be discussed so we can figure out how to mitigate it as well.
As for as the current topic, I agree with almost everything that you've said. While students need to learn pride, is it really necessary to take away homework and family time to mop floors at the school. At what point do we hold parents accountable for teaching children these lessons?
As for as the current topic, I agree with almost everything that you've said. While students need to learn pride, is it really necessary to take away homework and family time to mop floors at the school. At what point do we hold parents accountable for teaching children these lessons?
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TSgt Scott Hurley
SSG Shavonde Chase - Children become snobs in a few ways. One way is by how they behave around others. Are they in the "IN" crowed. Who they are friends with. That is one way. Another way is by mimicking their parents. Some parents are more of the cause of this than we think. Then there are the ones that were born into wealth. Those are the ones that really get people mad.
From what I can tell, in looking at how the Japanese schools do it. It really does not take up a whole lot of time. Since the whole school is involved. Not just select students. The Classes take care of their own classrooms. They rotate classes doing the halls, bathrooms and grounds (the grounds here in the states would be just the center part of the school). It makes it a lot easier that way. No gum is left on desks or chairs. The bathrooms are clean, and the trash is taken out. The only thing the janitors would have to do is wax the floors if needed, and the other stuff that the students can't do. At most this would last no more than an hour since it would be all the students working on it. But there is one thing that would have to change for it work properly. That is the classrooms are filled with the same grade. Ie 9th with 9th, 10th with 10th, 11th with 11th, and 12th with 12th. And the grades are assigned to the different floors and halls. Which would be 9th and 10th on the first floor with 11th and 12th on the second floor. I used a two floor highschool that is in my town as an example but you should get what I mean. Also, the teachers would move between classes. Not the students.
From what I can tell, in looking at how the Japanese schools do it. It really does not take up a whole lot of time. Since the whole school is involved. Not just select students. The Classes take care of their own classrooms. They rotate classes doing the halls, bathrooms and grounds (the grounds here in the states would be just the center part of the school). It makes it a lot easier that way. No gum is left on desks or chairs. The bathrooms are clean, and the trash is taken out. The only thing the janitors would have to do is wax the floors if needed, and the other stuff that the students can't do. At most this would last no more than an hour since it would be all the students working on it. But there is one thing that would have to change for it work properly. That is the classrooms are filled with the same grade. Ie 9th with 9th, 10th with 10th, 11th with 11th, and 12th with 12th. And the grades are assigned to the different floors and halls. Which would be 9th and 10th on the first floor with 11th and 12th on the second floor. I used a two floor highschool that is in my town as an example but you should get what I mean. Also, the teachers would move between classes. Not the students.
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I see both sides of it.
Uniforms do not level the playing field on an economic status. Kids wear high end clothing and shoes and the logos are very small or the same color as the fabric. The shoes have the name on the soles. Or they have a north face backpack or Patagonia jacket etc.
My kids have done both. In public school where I was last assigned, no uniforms. Where I am now they went to public school for a year. What I mentioned above was the norm for the uniforms. Now they are in private school with uniforms and the standards are much more comprehensive and strict compared to public school.
I'm not worried about my kids expressing their individuality in their attire. They go to school to learn not walk a runway. During the summer they are allowed to wear crazy hair and/or dye it however their creative hearts care to.
I don't see it as a cost saving method either. Standard street clothes are comparably priced, tennis shoes are what they are.
At the end of the day, I see no benefit or negative effect of either. Kids will be kids and make fun of others no matter what they wear. It's a parenting problem not a dressing problem.
Uniforms do not level the playing field on an economic status. Kids wear high end clothing and shoes and the logos are very small or the same color as the fabric. The shoes have the name on the soles. Or they have a north face backpack or Patagonia jacket etc.
My kids have done both. In public school where I was last assigned, no uniforms. Where I am now they went to public school for a year. What I mentioned above was the norm for the uniforms. Now they are in private school with uniforms and the standards are much more comprehensive and strict compared to public school.
I'm not worried about my kids expressing their individuality in their attire. They go to school to learn not walk a runway. During the summer they are allowed to wear crazy hair and/or dye it however their creative hearts care to.
I don't see it as a cost saving method either. Standard street clothes are comparably priced, tennis shoes are what they are.
At the end of the day, I see no benefit or negative effect of either. Kids will be kids and make fun of others no matter what they wear. It's a parenting problem not a dressing problem.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
What you are saying is correct. Wearing uniforms also have the effect of mitigating, not eliminating, bullying in the fashion area. It gets rid of those so called fashionistas that look down on everyone that is not dressed like them. Wearing uniforms will not get rid of the snobs or the ones that think they are better than anyone else.
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SGM Billy Herrington
TSgt Scott Hurley - I would also say why are we so worried about leveling the playing field? We try too hard to protect our kids from being made fun of or bullied. If we taught them how to deal with them rather than try and shelter them maybe they would grow up a little differently and not safe spaces because words hurt.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
SGM Billy Herrington - I agree with you there. It all begins with the parents. I know I was bullied when I moved from NH to CT and started in a new school. But I did not let it affect me. Of course in NH, the kids knew who my father was since he was a state trooper in the area. So there really was no bullying there. We all got a long.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
So in other words, there is a time a place for everything. That's a good lesson to learn. This is off topic. I remember my 1SG made a comment about me never complaining. I laughed and told him that' what SSG Fisher, my battle, was for. Time and place is very important. Believe it or not. I vent a lot.
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