Posted on Aug 30, 2016
SSG Trust Palmer
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I was asked not to ask this question, but I see no harm in asking.

So, I am ashamed to say that at the age of 21 ;) I had no idea that there were additional verses to the National Anthem. Can you please give me some feedback on your thoughts about the third verse of the National Anthem. If you don't know what it is, I'll paste it below. This question has NOTHING to do with CK. I'm hoping that we can have an intelligent conversation about this. ( Admin: If I tagged this incorrectly please fix it).

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
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MSgt Richard Rountree
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As the saying goes, you learn something new every day. Don't be ashamed that you learned more about the National Anthem at age 21...it only took me 61 years to gain this knowledge...thanks to you. ;-) As a naturally curious person, I examined several articles on the web to learn more. The Wikipedia entry was particularly useful and enlightening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

As for my thoughts, it is what it is. The poem was written long ago, and, as someone else already mentioned, the world and this country was a different place then. Thank you very much for the post.
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SSG Trust Palmer
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I truly appreciate your feedback. Thanks for posting additional information.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
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SSG Trust Palmer - In indignation over the start of the American Civil War, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.[20] added a fifth stanza to the song in 1861 which appeared in songbooks of the era.[21]

When our land is illumined with Liberty's smile,
If a foe from within strike a blow at her glory,
Down, down with the traitor that dares to defile
The flag of her stars and the page of her story!
By the millions unchained who our birthright have gained,
We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained!
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
While the land of the free is the home of the brave.

Fascinating, history is!
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CSM Chuck Stafford
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I assume you specifically mean the "No refuge could save the hireling and slave" phrase. My understanding is that the British offered slaves their freedom to fight against the rebellious upstart nation. Francis Scott Key was a slaveowner himself, so I don't surmise he wished doom on them. As far as anthem goes, it's mine and I'll embrace the goodness of it and the freedoms it represents to shore up all that needs to be strengthened (and that a lot)
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SSG Trust Palmer
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Thank you for responding.
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SSG Carlos Madden
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My understanding is that this was a reference to Americans being impressed into the British navy
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SSG Trust Palmer
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SSG Carlos Madden - Thanks for responding, SSG.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
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SSG Carlos Madden - From reading MSgt Richard Rountree posting from Wikipedia I think it deals more with the British manipulating former slaves.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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I remember fifth grade or so that there were more verses. Could not have told you a single word of them by the sixth grade. I read an article about it last night. Key was a slave owner, anti-abolitionist, had published something about Africans being an inferior race, and maybe a bit gleeful about the slaves the British were giving their freedom to if the fought against the United States getting killed. He thought they were traitors. How you could think something you considered inferior and property and not real men traitors I don't know. I remember decades ago some congressman or senator had a move to change the anthem to America the Beautiful. I think it was because the Star Spangled Banner is kind of a clunky song or maybe because it's about a battle, not the third verse.. It's only been the anthem since 1931? That surprised me too. I don't know. It's odd mentioning the slave right before the land of the free. If it were right now and we were picking a national anthem I would not want our current one. But, I really like the verse we all sing. If it was changed to America the Beautiful I would not be mad but I also don't think I would be for it. I'd be like, well ok. Maybe Lee Greenwoods Proud to be an American . That's what they played every day at reveille and retreat when I was in the 3ID. Everyone went to Attention when it was played at events. If it was changed back then it probably would have been welcomed. Lot easier and fun to sing. It's a tough one. I can imagine the howls and the horrible things that would be said if a serious effort were made to change. Mostly by people who don't know all the words of the first verse. But, maybe it does take big things to change and make America a better place. It would be a powerful message that we want to admit our past mistakes and really make America the Home of the Free with equality for all.
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SSG Trust Palmer
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We really need equality for all. I truly appreciate your feedback.
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CSM Charles Hayden
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SFC Joseph Weber Great, well thought out and expressed! My basic at Camp San Luis Obispo, CA featured 'Stars and Stripes Forever'. It was played everywhere except during class times.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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CSM Charles Hayden - Thank You Sergeant Major. I think it is an issue that should be seriously examined.
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