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https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/radiometric-dating-problems-with-the-assumptions/. I came across this article about radiometric dating. It's on a Creationist website so there may or may not be some bias. I wanted to make this an unbiased research project so I am inviting people from a variety of different schools of thought. Atheists agnostics, deists and Creationists are invited to do a research paper on the following questions:
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Decay rate has been proven to be totally constant thousands of times. That is a simple law of nature, and anyone who knows the slightest thing about chemistry could tell you exactly why that is. I won't go into detail, as I'm sure it has already been said. Furthermore, scientists test many samples in one area for a date. If several experiments lead to the same result, then it is no longer subject to opinion. I feel as though the author of that article doesn't understand too much basic chemistry.
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I don't know much about radioisotopes, but I know AIG. AIG is enormously biased and rejects or completely misunderstands most of what they talk about. I've interacted personally with one of their writers and...yeah, not one whit is given about truth. It's all about what they can shoe-horn into their predetermined and rigid Modernist interpretation of Genesis.
If you're looking for a Christian perspective coming from the other direction, I'd go with BioLogos. http://biologos.org/
A much fairer approach to carbon dating that isn't trying to dismantle evidence before it even starts study -
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/wiens.html
If you're looking for a Christian perspective coming from the other direction, I'd go with BioLogos. http://biologos.org/
A much fairer approach to carbon dating that isn't trying to dismantle evidence before it even starts study -
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/wiens.html
BioLogos: Science and faith in harmony
BioLogos invites the church and the world to see the harmony between science and biblical faith as we present an evolutionary understanding of God’s creation.
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Let me clarify the kind of experiment I'm looking for:
Let's take two samples 1) purified uranium 2) uranium ore with decay attached (decay should be measured and verified before the experiment).
Melt the samples in a controlled setting and maintain the melted state for one day, one week and one month (measuring results between tests) Perhaps a second test where electromagnetic fields are in play (probably won't make a difference but then again it might)
In another test, take the two samples (again measuring before the experiment) and subject the sample to a nuclear blast. This can be done underground.
Is there a significant change in decay rate under these extreme conditions? Does prolonged exposure accelerate the process? and if so at what rate? If the acceleration does happen, will it continue for some time after the samples are brought back to normal conditions? How long does it take to digress to the normal rate of decay?
I think this experiment would satisfy any questions concerning the accuracy of radiometric dating. Does anyone disagree on the design of the experiment?
1LT L S SPC (Join to see) SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. MAJ Carl Ballinger SSgt Christopher Brose MAJ (Join to see) SGT James Elphick
Let's take two samples 1) purified uranium 2) uranium ore with decay attached (decay should be measured and verified before the experiment).
Melt the samples in a controlled setting and maintain the melted state for one day, one week and one month (measuring results between tests) Perhaps a second test where electromagnetic fields are in play (probably won't make a difference but then again it might)
In another test, take the two samples (again measuring before the experiment) and subject the sample to a nuclear blast. This can be done underground.
Is there a significant change in decay rate under these extreme conditions? Does prolonged exposure accelerate the process? and if so at what rate? If the acceleration does happen, will it continue for some time after the samples are brought back to normal conditions? How long does it take to digress to the normal rate of decay?
I think this experiment would satisfy any questions concerning the accuracy of radiometric dating. Does anyone disagree on the design of the experiment?
1LT L S SPC (Join to see) SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. MAJ Carl Ballinger SSgt Christopher Brose MAJ (Join to see) SGT James Elphick
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SSgt Christopher Brose
I once edited Wikipedia just to win an argument. My addition to Wikipedia was valid (it had to do with "poison pill" as it relates to sports contracts), but it was a cheap and cheesy way to make a point with people who used Wikipedia as a source.
It's a convenient starting point, as long as you remember to take everything with a grain of salt and maintain a high level of cynicism. (In my opinion, cynicism is an underrated virtue.)
It's a convenient starting point, as long as you remember to take everything with a grain of salt and maintain a high level of cynicism. (In my opinion, cynicism is an underrated virtue.)
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Skepticism, not cynicism. Cynicism has heavily negative connotations as it pre-assumes the perspective you're engaging is ultimately self-serving rather than honest. Skepticism just means you don't believe things on their face.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
I know the difference between skepticism and cynicism, and if I had meant skepticism, that's what I would have said. ;) Cynicism implies skepticism, but also doubts about motives. It's not a bad thing to reserve the right to question someone's motives.
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SGT James Elphick
This is from the article posted here: "Physicists have carefully measured the radioactive decay rates of parent radioisotopes in laboratories over the last 100 or so years and have found them to be essentially constant (within the measurement error margins). Furthermore, they have not been able to significantly change these decay rates by heat, pressure, or electrical and magnetic fields."
He does not cite his source but apparently even he believes it to be thoroughly researched as to put it in his work.
He does not cite his source but apparently even he believes it to be thoroughly researched as to put it in his work.
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What effect does extreme heat (such as being melted into magma) have on radioisotopes?
What effect does a nuclear explosion (such as the Big Bang) have on the decay rate of radioisotopes?
My hypothesis is that extreme heat and or nuclear combustion could significantly accelerate the decay of radioisotopes. Also it may be possible that the parent element and the base element could appear side by side in a creation event. Surely, I'm not the only one to think that this should be a valid question and worth experimenting on.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, (I've always wanted to say that) is to find five research papers on this subject and write an essay on the findings of the research. Please use APA format when citing the papers. Open source websites such as wikipedia will not count. Put it in a Word document and post it on this forum.
What effect does a nuclear explosion (such as the Big Bang) have on the decay rate of radioisotopes?
My hypothesis is that extreme heat and or nuclear combustion could significantly accelerate the decay of radioisotopes. Also it may be possible that the parent element and the base element could appear side by side in a creation event. Surely, I'm not the only one to think that this should be a valid question and worth experimenting on.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, (I've always wanted to say that) is to find five research papers on this subject and write an essay on the findings of the research. Please use APA format when citing the papers. Open source websites such as wikipedia will not count. Put it in a Word document and post it on this forum.
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SPC Nathan Freeman
I've read all that. The problem with the data from supernovas is that we don't know the chemical make up before the start of the supernova. How did anybody study the radio metric data of an event many light years away? Radioisotopes are created by atomic explosions which happen all the time with stars. With a supernova, these explosions are happening all the time and so you should expect an accelerated decay. Also, there have been experiments done that prove that information moves faster than the speed of light. Therefore, what somebody thinks happened light years away is not relevant to the question. Nobody knows how many nuclear explosions have happened on the supernova or the magnitude of those explosions which is certainly a factor.
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SPC Nathan Freeman
As far as Dr. Snelling is concerned, rejecting his work because it goes against the establishment, that's the same logic the Roman Catholic Church used against Galileo. Many scientists work wasn't accepted until after their death. Judge the work on the basis of the logic. Science ceases to be science when it is based on a popularity contest.
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SPC Nathan Freeman
When you start studying nuclear physics, the process by which radioisotopes are made, you will see where all the hydrogen and helium come from. They aren't the constitution of the stars, they are the products. The products perpetuate the process. More on that later
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SPC Nathan Freeman
SSG John Thornton there's more to a star than helium and hydrogen. Those elements are stable and not dense enough to create the kind of gravity necessary to form a star and especially not suitable to start a fusion reaction.
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