Posted on Jun 12, 2016
What do you do when a soldier refuses to listen to your directions?
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This is a general question. If you have a soldier who refuses to listen to you, as a non-commissioned officer, do you simply put the incident on paper?
Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.
On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.
On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
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Squad Leader
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Team Leader
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Personally I would tell him keep them on while I took him to every bit of leadership and tell then he refused to remove them.
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If I'm telling him to do something illegal or completely unrelated to the mission, by all means tell me to go fuck myself
But you're in formation? He gets two verbals one with respect and the next woth no gloves. Still not working? IDC anymore, paper time; counselings do more damage than anything else. Unless he's got a profile we don't wear em in formation. It's simple.
But you're in formation? He gets two verbals one with respect and the next woth no gloves. Still not working? IDC anymore, paper time; counselings do more damage than anything else. Unless he's got a profile we don't wear em in formation. It's simple.
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Article 91 - Insubordinate conduct.
Article 92 - Failure to obey order or regulation.
These are enough to recommend this Joe for article 15. Actually of you read the UCMJ, one offence is enough to chapter a joe. The three 4856s, the three article 15s are pretty much just common courtesy so they can show a pattern of missconduct. Dont forget to add the magic bullet, date, time, location of incident (bldg # if one), what happened, what event was happening (formation, in the office working, etc.) And why yoi told him to remove the sunglasses.
Article 92 - Failure to obey order or regulation.
These are enough to recommend this Joe for article 15. Actually of you read the UCMJ, one offence is enough to chapter a joe. The three 4856s, the three article 15s are pretty much just common courtesy so they can show a pattern of missconduct. Dont forget to add the magic bullet, date, time, location of incident (bldg # if one), what happened, what event was happening (formation, in the office working, etc.) And why yoi told him to remove the sunglasses.
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Ode snatch those glasses of his face. Smash them on the ground. Obtain my sienor NCO's support.file the proper paper work. Dog his ass indefinitely. See that he has extra duty till the end of time.
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Slowly, ever so slowly, let the corners of your mouth go up into a shit eating grin and say, "Okay, soldier." Execute a smart facing movement and walk away and begin the documentation process to end his/her career. This is the only PC way to handle it.
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I mean are they sunglasses or are they ray bans or something like that with lines going though them
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SGT Vito DeGregorio
I highly doubt they are prescription and I'm pretty sure he didn't have a profile.
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It is sunglasses! What is the big deal ? I wear glasses that are not military issue. If that is what you are focusing on you are wasting your time and your soldiers time.
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SSG Steve Niebergall
The sunglasses are secondary at this time. PVT Snuffy has been insubordinate. He needs to be smoked in front of everyone. If not, your "authority"
doesn't mean shit.
doesn't mean shit.
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SSG Mark Gordon
Wow. Reading this "SGT's" response is why soldiers die in battle. There always creative ways to spot correct a soldier challenging your authority. I personally like the idea of having everyone in formation, EXCEPT for the offender do a half right face and dropping, explaining to them that the soldier is endangering all of their lives by disobeying a lawful order. Then writing up said soldier. Further actions get referred to 1SG. This should all be done with an almost glee, showing that you relish challenges like this.
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You have to document all actions in a DA 4856. If the Soldier continues disobeying orders and or refuses to follow lawful orders, or refuses to follow policies and or guidance from his or her superior officer then elevate situation to chain of command recommending UCMJ action. 4856's and all written counseling statement will be part of UCMJ action procedures.
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Disobeying a lawful order from a Non-commissioned Officer is definitely grounds for UCMJ.
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