Posted on Jun 12, 2016
SSG Emergency Action Controller / Ops Nco
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This is a general question. If you have a soldier who refuses to listen to you, as a non-commissioned officer, do you simply put the incident on paper?

Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.


On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
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SFC Ncoic
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Finish the formation, Call to Attention! Say SM name and His Squad Leader in my office! Dismissed!!!

Tell SL to tighten the shot group of his troops prior to formations. Tell SM those sunglasses will never be worn at formation again. If they are you and your Squad Leader will get Articular 15 for not following my Orders.
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Cpl Lav Crewman
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You stop being a baby and physically take that shit off his face. You're an NCO. Not a child. Handle him like a man.
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SSG Section Ssg
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Crush him and his sunglasses! It looks like a good day for IMT all day long. High crawl, low crawl, react to indirect fire, it's not remedial training, it's Warrior Task Training.
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It's called general NCO authority, all nco's have it... and what he did is defined simply as insubordination. If and only if his glasses as defined by AR 670-1 are out of regulatory standard. And if they aRe then you gave a lawful order and he projected insubordination. Drops mic
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CPL Timothy Butler
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1st Question Is this the first incident
2nd Question is the troop squared away or is he a knucklehead
My response to this when I was in was to counsel the soldier verbally 1st time the 2nd time I would put it on paper 3rd time I would refer him up the chain of command for further action
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SGT Internment/Resettlement Specialist
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But does he have a profile sgt
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SGT Sean Vineyard
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failure to follow a lawful order, ucmj is the correct direction of problem continues after corrective training i.e flutter kicks until private cries
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HN Gary Poore
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I would swiftly execute and show him/her the error of their ways and sternly remind them that this behavior is unacceptable and why there is a reason why there is order, discipline, and uniformity in order to keep and maintain the overall moral and leadership of the unit as a whole, and non-compliance has no room or you will suffer the results of office hours before the CO.
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SGT Greg Gold
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I had a Soldier that liked to wear his Oakley's in formation, and claim he had medical issues that weren't in his file. He also liked to leave his stuff all over the place, then complain loudly when they weren't returned. Last I saw a bunch of his stuff was last seen in Jacksonville bay headed out to sea.......
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SSgt Infantry Unit Leader
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This is one of those topics where you know what you want to do but want to save your career so you won't do what you want. Me personally, I would come up with a creative way to get my point across. I would hold formal platoon inspections of every single uniform that is worn and authorized. I would do it as extra military instruction. It fits the crime...unauthorized uniform articles so inspections and education of proper wear is conducted. And I would also place a formal counseling into his training jacket so that upon completion of EMI, if he continued you have enough grounds to push the NJP through.
If you go straight to the NJP, the offender will most likely continue their behavior. He broke the rules, you took rank and money away, what does he care if he breaks the rules again.
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PS - not Army here, USMC, but I'm sure there is a similar process in each service.
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