Posted on Jun 12, 2016
SSG Emergency Action Controller / Ops Nco
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This is a general question. If you have a soldier who refuses to listen to you, as a non-commissioned officer, do you simply put the incident on paper?

Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.


On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
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MSG Bde Course Manager
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Of course you put it on paper. Build a folder on private scumbag. You can even have the MPs pick him up
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CPL Air and Missile Defense Crewmember
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Refusal to obey a direct order.
Article fifteen.
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LTC Charles Lauderdale
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LTC C W Lauderdale I must have led a charmed life. Served from private -buck sergeant in cav and tank outfits (with the exception of three months detailed as an MP). Had only three out and out refusals. Solved two by offering each soldier a deal they could not refuse. The third was resolved behind a M-41 Walker Bulldog tank on the backside of the motor pool. Served as a LT - LTC in armor, infantry, and military police units. Only refusal was when serving as company commander of infantry unit in RVN. Soldier refused to take his tour on a listening post. Claimed Jesus came to him and told him to quit fighting. He completed his service after four years in USADB at Leavenworth. Contrary to what the newspapers reported, I did not tell the soldier to get his sorry butt out on that post and to take Jesus with him!
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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This is too easy. Get in the Soldier's face, take the glasses off, drop them on the ground, and crush them. If they bitch, ask them if they want to take this up with the First Sergeant? They will say no, and you reply, I didn't think so. Transmissions ENDS.
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Cpl Mauri Wills
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In this picture it is a Marine Drill Sergeant. When I was in the Corps they would have just knocked them off your head and crushed them. Now adays they have to escort the beligerent Marine to the Commander Officer for discipline. In todays Marine Corps the Sergeants are not allowed to touch the Marines no matter what. When I was in the Corps 1981 to 1988 I stood Receiving Duty as a Female Marine the new recruits learned real fast not to give me any crap or the Drill Instructions took them aside for a little one on one. This was the best way to teach discipline and respect. Now the leftists are too busy wanting us to hold their hands and not make it tough on them. This is the Marine Corps and we are the toughest of all. Be Proud to be a MARINE or go join one of the other social clubs.
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PO1 Gerald Franklin
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If solder do not learn to take orders in boot camp. They won't obey the orders in war, and the can get him or her and his squad killed.
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SSG Weapons Team Leader
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1SG Operations Nco O/C
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So looking in 600-20 will not answer your question. Look in AR 670-1, para 3-10. It’s pretty clear the Soldier is wrong in this situation. He/she should receive a 4856 for failure to obey an NCO.
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PO2 James Brown
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I got out when these YOUNG sweet things started picking up rate..
The bad thing was, working with the public in civ life I got to meet there "mommies & daddies".
Some real peace's of equipment..
After braking the glasses' have a very strong "talk" with it behind the door......
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LCpl Cody Collins
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I served in the United States Marine Corps just short of 9 years all active duty and I can truly say that I have never seen a Marine blatantly disobey an order in any way shape form or fashion and live to tell about it.
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