Posted on Jun 12, 2016
SSG Emergency Action Controller / Ops Nco
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This is a general question. If you have a soldier who refuses to listen to you, as a non-commissioned officer, do you simply put the incident on paper?

Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.


On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
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SSG Shafter Baker
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Start with 670-1. Then Article 92; Failure to obey an order or regulation, then Article 91; Insubordination. Any NCO weak enough to allow this to happen should be administratively reduced for ineffective leadership and just plain old incompetence.
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PO3 Robert Pierrepont
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Conex box counseling used to be an answer now you have to stick to the pc crap
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PO1 Randy Palermo
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Back in the late 60's you would have been brought in the DI's office and got your ass kicked
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Josh Sebastian
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well in my opinion america has gotten soft a good ol stoumic punch and scream at his ass would surfice then have every one in the barracks beat his ass this is war man not no fucking pony ride i would have joined the military but apparently seince i cant get a ged because i dont know calculis i cant go fuck that we should change the law ANY HEALTHY BODY MAN/WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT AS A UNITED STATES CITIZEN TO JOIN THE MILITARY WITHOUT ANYSAY IF I FEEL LIKE PICKING UP A RIFLE AND GOING OVER SEES WEATHER IT BE KOREA/JAPAN/BRITAN/ANY WHERE TO STOP THE NEXT CRAZY FUCKER WHO WANTS TO BE HILTER COME ON MY HOME LAND MY SOIL WHERE I GREW UP WHERE I WAS BORN AND RAISED TO HARM MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY BY GOD LET ME FUCKING JOIN PLAIN AND SIMPLE
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SFC Ed Walsh
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They get very strong.
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SGT Steve Hohman
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Old school put your foot up his 4th point of contact and crash his glasses
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1LT Isr Program Manager
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I'd question, why did that solider join the military in the 1st place?
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SP5 Damon Hanson
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Simply take them and say "Thank you soldier; I need a new pair." Then get vocal about insubordination, drop him, and remind him he's not on the streets anymore.
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SFC James Watson
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I would love to go back to the day when the military wasn't so damn sensitive and you had to write counseling after counseling statement. Being able to settle things in a physical manner usually establishes the pecking order and prevents such situations like this from rarely, if ever happening again.

So, in short, I'd grab him by the throat and punch him so hard in the mouth he shots a pearl necklace the same day.
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1stSgt Frank Spivey
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You need to do something with this person ASAP. If he is not going to obey you orders now do you think he will in combat? Use your chain of command. He needs to be punished Other Soliders will see this and they will do the same. Money and liberty are what's important to him. Go after them.
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