Posted on Feb 7, 2015
1SG David Lopez
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Myself and hundreds of other Retired Rangers are tired of all this nonsense of women attending Ranger School. Why is the Army leadership encouraging special preference to attend a premier infantry and leadership school. It is a hard journey for qualified Male Infantrymen to compete for and get an extremely limited slot to attend the Ranger Course. Many of Rangers had to prove themselves to be hardened Infantry Sergeants in order to even be considered to attend the local Pre-Ranger Course, before even thinking of attending The Ranger Course. Normally an Infantry Company and/or Battalion could only send "one" representative soldier to the Pre-Ranger Course (per course). Infantry Soldiers competed amongst each other to get that slot. The 21-day Pre-Ranger Course, was definitely tough as or tougher than Ranger School itself, was hell to get through. And even after passing, was not a guaranteed slot to attend The Ranger Course due to budget, deployment, and training issues for the unit (not the individual soldier). If you did not get the opportunity to attend The Ranger Course within six months, well it was a requirement to attend the local Division 21-day Pre-Ranger (assessment) Course again. Once again, the male soldier had to pass all standards in order to be recommended to attend The Ranger Course. The Ranger Course had the toughest standards. To begin day one of the Ranger Course, during the APFT, the Ranger Instructor (RI) would not allow you to pass the push up or sit up event the first time. Every Male Ranger Student failed the push up event and had to perform the push up event a second time (five to ten minutes later) to Standard! My first attempt at the push up event, we had to complete at least 62 push ups. The RI was counting, 59, 60, 61, 61, 61... and so on. We were warned that we could not stop during the two minute event or else we would be considered a failure at this event. So I kept knocking out the push ups and asked the RI what it was that I was doing wrong. He answered with, shut up Ranger and keep knocking them (push ups) out or you will fail. I kept my mouth shut and knocked out approximately 120 push ups. The RI failed me. I got back in line and had the same RI grade my push ups again about ten minutes later. 59, 60, 61, 61, 61, once again I asked what it was I was doing wrong while I cranked out those push ups, and once again the RI stated shut up Ranger and keep knocking them out or else you will fail. That was the first moments of Ranger School and every standard was just as tough. If you were just there to earn your Tab, you were surely going to drop out of the course. But if you were a fully prepared Infantry Stud with the attitude that you attended the Ranger Course to test yourself and understood that you were going to have to push beyond all personal limitations in order to merely make it through the relentless day of Ranger Training. The one thing I really appreciated about Ranger School is that the Standards were set so high, every Infantry Soldier knew it was the very best training and test that any soldier can volunteer for. When finished, with an average of one hour of sleep per day, moving with heavy (very heavy) loads about 10 to 25 kilometers per day, performing tactical maneuvers, and being graded in leadership positions. It was far more harsh than I ever expected, every bit the hardest single accomplishment as far as physical and mental exhaustion in a training environment is concerned. Even for the most hardened and gruesome Infantryman. Ranger School was no joke. I'm not thinking it is at all a place for females. There is no way possible to keep the standards the same. We were not taken back to the rear with the gear to shower when we smelled. That is what Infantrymen do. It is dirty and frankly stinky, to say the least. I eventually became an RI in the Desert Phase and then later in my career a Senior Ranger Instructor in the Mountain Phase. It was a humbling experience serving with top notch soldiers / world class athlete Rangers. To say the least it was an Honor serving with the Ranger Training Brigade and maintain the standards. Let us not lose that, the standards. Let us not add the nonsense of preferential treatment. The RI's were hard as nails but fair. Let us not give away the farm to break the glass ceiling. You will rarely hear any news of Rangers in action, it is a quiet professional tight knit unit that prides itself on operational security. I can see no way to not change the standards once women attend the Ranger Course. This course will become a political agenda which will cause the truly dedicated Ranger Instructors to lose their jobs as RI's as we once knew it. Is it too late to turn back? Let the nonsense begin, female issues, separate but same, political agenda, media scrutiny, RI unfairness, sexual harassment, preferential treatment, male students No-Go's due to (female) not performing to standards during patrols... The list can go on, just ask any RI that has served a full term as an Ranger Instructor. Let us not forget the original intent for this course is to train men to lead soldiers into combat. When we give these limited (Ranger School) slots to female soldiers/officers, then we take away from the Infantryman, the soldiers themselves, and the Infantry Units. Let us not take this away.

 

 

Retired Ranger 1SG David D. Lopez

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I think it pretty awesome. If a female can make it through the course, then they are just as deserving to wear the ranger tab. I personally, probably wouldn't make it through, but I give the highest respect to the both men and women that do.
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Let them go, no issues, but do not change the standard. Let there be no question to whether or not they've truly earned the tab.
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Cpl Matthew Wall
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If they can pass why not?
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I believe that it is possible that a female Soldier will make the standards and graduate ranger school. However, with what I've only read and been told, the chances of graduating is low even amongst men who go in prepared for it. That isn't to say that no woman will ever graduate.

No quarter should be given and none should be expected though. It should be the same standard. There is only the quick and the dead in combat.
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Capt Richard I P.
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I think the photo (that appears to have been added by a fellow RP admin) is funny....since that uniform appears to be AF cammies.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
Cpl Christopher Bishop
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I find some humor in the timing of ladies not making it through USMC Infantry training (most could not do the minimum 3 pull-ups, yes there are a few exceptions), the USMC closing that down, and then the Army Ranger course opens to women.  Nothing against the ladies of course.
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1SG David Lopez
1SG David Lopez
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Thanks :)
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Capt Richard I P.
Capt Richard I P.
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I see its been modified to reflect a real female soldier, good work, whoever did so!
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More power to them. There are females out there today that can run faster and do more push-ups and sit-ups than I can. And they probably have a better aptitude to grasp the material that is taught. Enough of females being attached to the unit while deployed. They have every right to wear the tab if they earn it. That way the more females you have with the tab and in Ranger BN, the faster female standards can be hashed out
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I understand that all Officers out of IBOLC go to Ranger school but for the rest of the Branches it is something that is highly competitive way before Pre-Ranger. Does requiring spots for females to go the Pre-ranger already lower the standards? I am only speaking from the O side of this of course.
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Its a pretty horrible pass rate! I'm sure there are some senior officers right now trying to figure out what standards to change to get a higher pass rate.

Not enough pass, change the standards until enough do.
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PO1 Ken Johnson
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As long as there is one set of standards and a person meets or exceeds those standards, they should be qualified. The key is ONE SET OF STANDARDS, not just one cut off for the run, I mean on set of STANDARDS. No changes to the training guide, at any point. If a Ranger has to do it, a Ranger has to do it. Not a Male Ranger has to do it this way and a Female Ranger has to do it this way...

My first experience with a workcenter with male and female, I got some great advice from someone who had never been in the military.... he said "All you need to look at is the left sleeve or the collar!" or as we used to say "STRIPE COUNT!" That is a PO3 and that is a SN, so now hand out assignments.
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If a woman wants to attend ranger school, and she passes based on the SAME standards as men, then so be it; more power to her. However, I only agree that they should be allowed to attend the school for the tab, not to be put into a ranger unit as one.
I don't believe fitness should be a reason to exclude women from doing anything a man can do. I do, however, believe in the scientific, physiological reasons. There are hygienic standards females require that cannot be met when you find yourself isolated on a mountaintop for 3 weeks setting up an OP.
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