Posted on Sep 28, 2015
What do you think about having enlisted drone pilots in the USAF?
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A lot of info here about the RPA career field any how the decision will be made in 2016 on whether or not to allow enlisted Airman to be RPA pilots...possibly even fly conventional aircraft in the future.
With all of the changes over the years with enlisted jobs being switched to officer jobs such as Sensor Operators on AC-130s and enlisted Weapons Directors being taken off of AWACS what are your thoughts on this subject?
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/careers/air-force/enlisted/2015/09/28/enlisted-drone-pilots-decision-expected-early-next-year/72806812/
With all of the changes over the years with enlisted jobs being switched to officer jobs such as Sensor Operators on AC-130s and enlisted Weapons Directors being taken off of AWACS what are your thoughts on this subject?
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/careers/air-force/enlisted/2015/09/28/enlisted-drone-pilots-decision-expected-early-next-year/72806812/
Posted 10 y ago
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I hadn't seen the aspect of no enlisted weapon director's on AWACS, to me, at least, that seems unusual, though, certainly, warrants, as mentioned here, could certainly be a quite viable solution, I should think, you know?
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A few years ago Nissan partnered with Polyphony Digital, the company that brought us nerds the Gran Turismo series of games, to create a worldwide competition. Gamers would compete in-game with lap times, and be placed on a global standing tracker. This went on with smaller and smaller qualifying groups, and finalized with a group of 12 going to Nissan’s proving ground and holding a contest for the opportunity to become a licensed racing driver. I think they’ve held it twice so far, and have come through with capable, competitive drivers added to their roster who have started successful racing careers, with little to no experience other than playing online.
This isn’t to say pilots should be found online, just that they may be found in a variety of places.
This isn’t to say pilots should be found online, just that they may be found in a variety of places.
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The "total airmen concept" applies here. It was stated earlier that more enlisted folks have a BA or Masters degree with great leadership/management training and experience. Applicant competition will be awesome and lose nothing in transfer. The attitude should be that of fair coach, "The best players will play, period."
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I think it's a step in the right direction, but the Air Force should be the same as the other services and offer WO pilots, and other avenues of promotion and pilot training than a 4 year degree/academy.
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I will give my honest opinion, I am befuddled to no end at the grades used in the USAF for the duties that get done in other services. I have had maintenance platoons larger than some USAF units that are commanded by people far senior to me. I don't get it? How can the Army fly its helicopter fleet on WO's and the Air Force can't. How could the Army guard its nuclear units with Captain )-3 as the commander, and the Air Force can't. the grade inflation in the USAF is unreal, so back to the original question, I see no reason other to preserve officer billets.
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Maj (Join to see)
Im sure a big reason is if you look at the number of Helo pilots in the Army vs the Air Force it makes sense for you all to have Warrant Officers. I don't feel that we have enough work to justify an entire warrant officer corps while losing SNCO and O billets to fund these slots. You all certainly run things differently.
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Gonna piss off a bunch of prima donna flight suits.......if Sergeant Smith can 'fly' and Abrams, he can fly a drone......too much overpaid help in the Air Force. Top Aces in WWII where Flight Sergeants in the British Air Force. Just like everything else, we have inflated both the ego and the pay grade overtime.
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Maj (Join to see)
You also have to keep in mind that aircraft have become much more advanced as has the way we employ those aircraft, so it's a bit more complicated than what we saw in WW2. I agree that many enlisted have the aptitude to fly, but my argument is why don't they finish school and attend OTS so that they can fulfill every requirement of the position?
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SFC James Barnes
Sir I disagree we have enlisted soldiers and airmen who run complicated cyberwarfare and Sat operations that would spin most officers heads and they have a H.S. diploma.
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LCDR (Join to see)
Again, it's an issue of economics. Not enough people are motivated enough to fly drones to get a college degree, and get a comission to do so. So open the billet up to more people. Actually being a pilot is a way more desirable job, which is why it makes sense to keep the requirements more restrictive. The requirement to be an officer is just another filter in the long line of filters that get the unmotivated people out of the aviation training pipeline before cost too much money. WWII on the other hand, we had enlisted pilots, because more pilots were dying before they could be replaced. So the billet was opened up to anyone essentially. The training pipeline was also weeks back then, as opposed to the years that is required now.
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Ah, the joy of a liberal arts education:
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Adults have long reckoned with ways to protect adolescents from their own misjudgments. Only recently, however, have researchers really begun to understand how the teen brain is wired and that some of what appear to be teens’ senseless choices may result from biological tendencies that also prime their brains to learn and be flexible.
Take teens’ perception of risk. It’s certainly different from that of adults, but not in the ways you’d expect. Research shows, for instance, that teens tend to wildly overestimate certain risks — of things like unprotected sex and drug use — not to lowball them as one would predict. So, it may be that teens’ notorious risk-taking behavior stems not from some immunity to known risks, but rather, as a new study now suggests, from their greater tolerance to uncertainty and ambiguity — that is, unknown risks.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/02/why-the-teen-brain-is-drawn-to-risk/
If you’re the parent of a tween, be warned: your cautious 10-year-old is bound to turn into a wild child in a few short years, with seemingly no regard whatsoever for safety. Indeed, teenagers have the double the risk of dying compared to their preteen selves.
Adults have long reckoned with ways to protect adolescents from their own misjudgments. Only recently, however, have researchers really begun to understand how the teen brain is wired and that some of what appear to be teens’ senseless choices may result from biological tendencies that also prime their brains to learn and be flexible.
Take teens’ perception of risk. It’s certainly different from that of adults, but not in the ways you’d expect. Research shows, for instance, that teens tend to wildly overestimate certain risks — of things like unprotected sex and drug use — not to lowball them as one would predict. So, it may be that teens’ notorious risk-taking behavior stems not from some immunity to known risks, but rather, as a new study now suggests, from their greater tolerance to uncertainty and ambiguity — that is, unknown risks.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/02/why-the-teen-brain-is-drawn-to-risk/
Why the Teen Brain Is Drawn to Risk | TIME.com
If you're the parent of a tween, be warned: your cautious 10-year-old is bound to turn into a wild child in a few short years, with seemingly no regard whatsoever for safety. Indeed, teenagers have the double the risk of dying compared to their preteen selves.
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I never really understood the requirement that drone pilots needed to be fully qualified aviators considering that drones pretty much take off, land and fly themselves anyways. But overall I think it's a great opportunity for enlisted members.
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