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This has been kind of hard for me to understand in some aspects. I believe in the Army Values and the Warrior Ethos, which states that we will leave no comrade behind. Now, none of us were actually there the night he disappeared and do not know the exact circumstances. We can speculate with what we hear in the news. Yes, 6 men lost their lives looking for him, and that is part of the cost of war. Their service to there country will never be forgotten. What I really find hard to swallow is how this all came to be. The United States has never negotiated with terrorists, and now we have set a precedence by doing that. I am afraid of what the cost this might mean for our military as a whole now.
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I will admit that I like the indictment against the common core math. This has had such a negative affect on my son's education. He is advanced and common core math actually forces him into remedical math because of the methods it is taught and the fact that there is no method to address advanced students.
I also disagree with the negotiation for the release of Bergdahl utilizing these 5 high-level individuals. I agree we needed to get him back, but what impact will these 5 have?
I also disagree with the negotiation for the release of Bergdahl utilizing these 5 high-level individuals. I agree we needed to get him back, but what impact will these 5 have?
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Depends on your perspective on the issue.
Is it worth trading 5 command level Taliban for a US Soldier/possible deserter?
I believe you should never leave our own but was he really one of us once (if confirmed) he deserted his post, joined the Taliban and declared Jihad?
Is it worth trading 5 command level Taliban for a US Soldier/possible deserter?
I believe you should never leave our own but was he really one of us once (if confirmed) he deserted his post, joined the Taliban and declared Jihad?
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My Marine colleagues tell me a walk outside the wire is nothing too special. Some sources say Bergdahl left in the company of 3 Afghan soldier colleagues. Other sources say he was a well rated soldier, perhaps a bit too bookish, and not well liked by his platoon members.
We don't know his state of mind or intentions. But, he took a walk in the evening and was discovered to be still absent in the morning when he was supposed to go on guard duty. He was captured intoxicated by the Haqquani network. He may have intended to return to his post in time to fulfill his assigned obligations. But he was captured in uniform. He did not shed his uniform of his own accord and run away.
I do not believe it is proper to call him a deserter without any clear intention to absent himself and never return. He behaved stupidly under circumstances where he could easily have lost his head. He may well have been intoxicated, He may well have been disoriented. But, from the time of his capture in the morning until his return, no one could have returned to US control whatever his original intentions.
We don't know his state of mind or intentions. But, he took a walk in the evening and was discovered to be still absent in the morning when he was supposed to go on guard duty. He was captured intoxicated by the Haqquani network. He may have intended to return to his post in time to fulfill his assigned obligations. But he was captured in uniform. He did not shed his uniform of his own accord and run away.
I do not believe it is proper to call him a deserter without any clear intention to absent himself and never return. He behaved stupidly under circumstances where he could easily have lost his head. He may well have been intoxicated, He may well have been disoriented. But, from the time of his capture in the morning until his return, no one could have returned to US control whatever his original intentions.
Cpl Brett Wagner
Sandy you are too nice too loving and too forgiving. Lets decompose the possibilities.
If he was drunk or high he is guilty of violating his General Orders and the UCMJ.
If he (or any service member) acts stupidly they are still punishable under the UCMJ. I know guys who were charged for getting sun burned. Another for cutting off his thumb with a hatchet.
Bottom line is he left his post without being forced to do so. If he was not forced he still violated General Orders 1,2,7 & 8. Guilty again. It may not seem fair but everyone should be intelligent enough to know what they are signing up for in the first place.
Now given that Bergdahl was a Sergeant a Non Commissioned Officer and not a young dumb private or PFC he was an experienced soldier. No way he just did something stupid for lack of experience. His fellow soldiers are saying he was and is a turd. Why are so many of you here defending him? Did you defend George Zimmerman? How about the soldiers in Abu Ghraib? Did you reserve condemning them for months until all the facts came out? Marines at Haditha? You all may be too young to remember the atrocities perpetrated against Americans in all wars. Did you ever hear the stories about what the Japanese did to Marines in the pacific? How they would cut off a certain part of their body and force it into their mouths and then leave them where they would be found by fellow Marines?
If he was drunk or high he is guilty of violating his General Orders and the UCMJ.
If he (or any service member) acts stupidly they are still punishable under the UCMJ. I know guys who were charged for getting sun burned. Another for cutting off his thumb with a hatchet.
Bottom line is he left his post without being forced to do so. If he was not forced he still violated General Orders 1,2,7 & 8. Guilty again. It may not seem fair but everyone should be intelligent enough to know what they are signing up for in the first place.
Now given that Bergdahl was a Sergeant a Non Commissioned Officer and not a young dumb private or PFC he was an experienced soldier. No way he just did something stupid for lack of experience. His fellow soldiers are saying he was and is a turd. Why are so many of you here defending him? Did you defend George Zimmerman? How about the soldiers in Abu Ghraib? Did you reserve condemning them for months until all the facts came out? Marines at Haditha? You all may be too young to remember the atrocities perpetrated against Americans in all wars. Did you ever hear the stories about what the Japanese did to Marines in the pacific? How they would cut off a certain part of their body and force it into their mouths and then leave them where they would be found by fellow Marines?
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Cpl Wagner,
I may be too kind and forgiving. I am not defending this schlub.
That said, part of what we fight for (or at least men were allowed to fight for in my generation) is a fair hearing before we kill someone (other than in armed combat). I'm certainly not trying to defend this schlub. I am just saying that if this were any one of us, no matter what our team feels, believes, and says, I expect us to provide the guy with a fair hearing. If the verdict is firing squad, sign me up.
In this case, this schlub was a specialist when he was captured. His promotion to NCO was automatic during captivity same as any POW.
I know what the Japanese did. I know what the Vietnamese did. Nurses have to deal with the consequences of these atrocities.
Zimmerman is an idiot. The Abu Ghraib troops behaved stupidly. The massacres at Haditha and My Lai were god awful atrocities. But, in each case, there were courts martials / trials with strong evidence, law, command, and responsibility taken into account before we ultimately sorted out what happened and who should be punished.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
I may be too kind and forgiving. I am not defending this schlub.
That said, part of what we fight for (or at least men were allowed to fight for in my generation) is a fair hearing before we kill someone (other than in armed combat). I'm certainly not trying to defend this schlub. I am just saying that if this were any one of us, no matter what our team feels, believes, and says, I expect us to provide the guy with a fair hearing. If the verdict is firing squad, sign me up.
In this case, this schlub was a specialist when he was captured. His promotion to NCO was automatic during captivity same as any POW.
I know what the Japanese did. I know what the Vietnamese did. Nurses have to deal with the consequences of these atrocities.
Zimmerman is an idiot. The Abu Ghraib troops behaved stupidly. The massacres at Haditha and My Lai were god awful atrocities. But, in each case, there were courts martials / trials with strong evidence, law, command, and responsibility taken into account before we ultimately sorted out what happened and who should be punished.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
Cpl Brett Wagner
Sandy - First Bergdahl is not going to be killed not even if we had video of him killing a school full of nuns. However my question was and still is did people not make judgment on those troops at Haditha, My Lai etc.? Agreed Zimmermann is an idiot but even idiots get their day in court before we know the whole story right? If I ever need a nurse I want one with your caring & compassionate heart.
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