Posted on Feb 14, 2014
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Should this airman receive any disciplinary action?
Posted in these groups: Discipline1 DisciplineRespect  logo RespectZgvwznrr9psdw5lzq6y7ihp6r9qhpdfhlbomkkkntap1slsxqwsblel onis9qdww00l q s85 Disrespect
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1SG(P) First Sergeant
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I'm sure some of our USAF brothers who're SERE graduates will address this, and the photographer too I hope.  What's up with the rope?
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TSgt William Sheehan
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Looks like a drum and bugle corp aiguillette. But that's just my best guess.



I can't think of any other AF aiguillettes that look like that (dual colored).

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LTC Physician Assistant
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My take on this is that it shows exceedingly poor taste, disrespect for what the logo symbolizes, and goes against the Air Force Core Values specifically, self-respect, humility, integrity, discipline and respect for others.  I don't know if there is a violation of any Air Force regulation or not but certainly this is an act which can bring shame on a unit and disrupt unit function and esprit de corps.  She definitely needs to be sanctioned in some way.  I certainly hope that she sees some of the outrage she has caused and does some self-reflecting on who she is and what kind of airman she wants to be.  She also likely has some inner issues she has yet to resolve and would probably benefit from some counseling as well.
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A1C Michael David Severson
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It shows poor judgment, a lack of respect, and moral restraint.

As for disciplinary action, since it is not the the Stars and Stripes, etc., it likely does not constitute any violations of the UCMJ. It DOES violate good taste (no pun intended, seriously!), common sense, and basic intelligence.

It also suggests a lack of a love life, as obviated by the lack of precious metal and jewels on her left hand that is visible. That might also be a reflection of her character as addressed above.

Some counseling from someone with appropriate credentials would be in order also.
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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A1C: Note the following...


UCMJ Article 134:


Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.


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SSgt James Stanley
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There could also be the possibility of an article 15 and Squadron punishment, Depending on her Squadron Commander.
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A1C Michael David Severson
A1C Michael David Severson
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We will see what administrative or judicial action will follow this issue in due time, which I expect will involve the discretion of those in command over this airman. That discretion could also take into account the perceived level of remorse and demeanor this airman demonstrates as any proceeding occurs.
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SFC(P) Military Police
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If this hasn't been reported it should be.  This is a disgrace.  Does anyone know who she is and her unit???  We have plenty of Officers on this site who can push this up the ladder and square this away.  
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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It's being investigated already. Apparently the story came out in the Army Times and there's been a huge outcry about it.
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SSG Home Mechanic
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SSG P, Yes they do know who the SM is, what Air Base she is stationed at and disciplinary action is pending.

 

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SPC Thomas Lema
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Very disrespectful of the pow/mia situation , to make a joke of it even in just good fun as this appears no should not happen period'
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MSG Brad Sand
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The picture was actually taken when the temps were well below zero and this poor airman's tonque is actually frozen to the metal sign.


I thought that would be a funny joke, but what person in the military would ever believe someone in the Air Force would be outside in below zero weather?
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If we fail to act in a professional matter while conducting our business we can’t expect the civilian populace to maintain the same regard to all of us in uniform. We need to be cognizant of how we act when we are wearing our uniforms and remember that great responsibility comes when we action on the privilege to put that uniform on. Even “small” actions like this one can set the ball rolling for bigger issues.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
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Why on Earth would someone do this? Totally disrespectful IMHO, respect is missing from our entire society today.
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MAJ Field Auditor
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Inappropriate in or OUT of uniform. Would a civilian strike this pose? I don't think so!
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CSM Michael Lynch
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Totally inappropriate and this airman should not only receive disciplinary action but not be allowed to re-enlist either. She is obviously showing her immaturity level and the fact that she should still be an E-1 and out on the city streets. This is as disrespectful as you can get for someone in uniform to do something like this to a POW-MIA symbol.
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