Posted on Feb 14, 2014
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Should this airman receive any disciplinary action?
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SGT Human Resources Specialist
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This was so disrespectful. And I have a great uncle who is a MIA and this just infuriated me.  I wanted so bad to blast her but figured her karma is coming to her. So inappropriate to do to such a respectable piece of our military. 
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SSG William Patton
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I understand where you are coming from.  When you have a personal experience involving a POW or MIA, it strikes a personal chord.  As I stated in a previous post, their memories are sacred to all, but especially to those who have lost loved ones and do not know what happened to them.  I learned of my uncle's body being found on the NBC Nightly News when Tom Brokaw was the anchor.  I could not believe my ears and was cautiously overjoyed when I heard the news.  Idenification had just started, so confirming his identity was far off, but all initial information presented a very strong case that it in fact was my uncle who had been an MIA for 56 years.  I thought of all those years my grandparents lived without knowing his fate.  The sillohoutte the AIC is tonguing is a special reminder of the sacrifice made by many and especially her branch of the military.  She needs to be made to realize the importance of showing respect to our fallen, POWs, and MIAs some who will never be located.
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SSG William Patton
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This behavior is in bad taste.  An NCO should be a role model for lower ranks and the behavior demonstrated by this woman is a disgrace to the Air Force.  The silloutte is illustrating a sacred topic to all servicemen and women and that is those who have been lost or left behind and their status cannot be upgraded due to little or no information.  These are our missing and POWS and we hold their memories very sacred.  I had an uncle, my dad's oldest brother, who was MIA for 56 years.  In 2001 his body was recovered still strapped in the cockpit of his P-51 Mustang, in a bog in Northern France.  All his immediate family died not knowing what happened to him and arranging for his burial with military honors fell to nieces and nephews, which were were proud and honored to do.  Having personal experience with an MIA makes her behavior even more of a slap in the face because she fails to honor the sacrifice made by those who have not returned.
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SGT Richard Jacobs
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VERY inappropriate!  No respect!
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This should cover it.


UCMJ Article 134:

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.


It is ironic that this Airman is disrespecting the POW/MIA symbol, as a great many USAF members were shot down during the Vietnam War.


This Airman should be made an example of what NOT to do, as in disrespecting those who have come before and sacrificed. 

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MSG David Schoolfield
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Yes, I believe disciplinary actions would be appropriate for this Staff Sergeant and the service member that took the picture. This is a sign of disrespect, immaturity and how a Non-Commissioned Officer should not conduct his/herself.
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SSG Robert Burns
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What could POSSIBLY be "appropriate" about this picture?  I would consider rewording the question.
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SSG Robert Burns
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To be honest I feel that even posting this nonsense is disrespectful.  That's just me.  Why even give it a wider audience?
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I understand your point of view although I believe it to be skewed and incorrect but you are entitled to your opinion.  All other general responses in this thread to the question I posted were not what I was referring to.  Responses to the question are what  I consider to be general and not directed at me even though I am asking the question.  What I was referring to were the direct comments between service members...it was my observation that your comment was directed at me and not a general response to a question, therefore, I felt should conform to usual military courtesy.  If you find that offensive then that is my error for offending you.  It appears I have misunderstood your comment but from my perspective it did appear disrespectful since it was, in my opinion,  directed at me. I certainly could be wrong there and for that I apologize.  Your comment that the question is disrespectful is short-sighted but again, you are entitled to your opinions.  When I look at an issue I look at it from a wide perspective even going so far as to be too open to even radical ideas....from my perspective as a scientist and medical provider I must look at things in this way because to do otherwise is to close your mind to even distasteful ideas(that might actually be the correct ones)...I understand your perspective that you believe there never, under any circumstances, could be an instance when this might be considered even the tiniest bit appropriate but to be truly objective you need to keep your mind open to that idea so that you can gather evidence to absolutely remove any doubt.  It is with this thought that my question was posed...if that offends you then that too may be my mistake.  If you are that offended you might want to unfollow this thread or simply look away.  
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SSG Robert Burns
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I understand what you are trying to say sir, but I would ask this question based on your rational/logic.  Would you post a video of a beheading and ask the same question?  "Is this appropriate or not?"

Obviously to remain objective as you stated as a medical professional; this type of act is appropriate for those who are committing it.  They are justified in their minds.  However, since this is an open military forum as you stated earlier, you must consider your audience when posing your questions.

I believe the your question was rhetorical.  I surely dont think that you believed at all that there was a person in this forum that thought this picture was appropriate.  Im not sure how you can be objective when asknig for emotional judgement.

Your secondary question I believe is a more reasonable question that is debatable and productive, as evidenced by the responses already posted.

The reason I say posting the picture is disrespecful is this.  If we say the act is deploarble, offensive, disrespectful, etc., then what is showing the act if not repeating it?  If someone sees it as offensive, then they will see it that way every time they witness it.  For someone who this affects more deeply than others, i.e. someone who has been a POW or has lost someone who was, it is like rubbing salt in the wounds.

I think it is more responsible and respectful to try and eliminate these types of images/acts than to repost them and display them all over again.  Just my opinion.

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SSG Robert Burns
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Or maybe this is a better example.  If someone took hidden pictures of your wife, would you then post them and ask the question is this appropriate or not?  Of course not.  And the reason why you would, I believe should apply here as well.
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I believe this photo shows various levels to her ignorance as an Airman.  First it is extremely untasteful to pose in the manner in which she is posing while in uniform. Second I really dont believe that she understands the traumatic experiences that many military veterans and their families went through and still are going through.  Her leadership really needs to reach a learning point because she may not know or understand how a childish moment can not only embarass her but her entire branch as well.  My suggestions would be a summarized Article 15 with an extensive amount of research on POW-MIA accompanied by a presentation during the month that particularly celebrates the remembrance.
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SFC (Join to see) She was a SrA with plenty of experience to know better but thought showing off was no big deal. As you can see by the responses here that some kind of punitive discipline is in order. But I love the last part of your comments.
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i honestly don't see what this person thought it would be funny about this at all. its completely disrespectful and it paints a negative image on the air force and the us military. so in short ucmj all the way. 
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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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just like those two idiots who took the pic at Arlington, very very disrespectful.<br>
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the two ladies involved were at arlington for a business venture of some sort and they took the pic. Once it hit the web and spread like wildfire, the lady in the pic lost her job, and if I am not mistaken, the one who took it did too.
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SFC James Baber
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This picture is over a year old, it did hit the mainstream for about 2-3 weeks, with many calls for action, the woman in the pic was fired, but not the co-worker, he was suspended with a reduction of position at the company they both worked at, if I remember right it was some sort of advertising agency. The company posted a big online form letter apology and described her termination of employment, she pleaded for help to get her job back on her FB page and got more nasty comments and threats than anything else, no sympathy was given to her and most said she should never be given another job in the US ever again.


This is similar to what needs to happen to the now SSGT, she needs to be court-martialed reduced to E1 and given a BCD so she can hot get any benefits or ever apply for any, and she can also enjoy that felony conviction following her the rest of her life for her little claim of being "young and immature at one time", there are plenty of people who have made one mistake that puts them in prison the rest of their lives or makes it so they will never be a asset to society again. 

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SFC Baber, I know the story is old, I was referring thisUSAF pic to that pic and was asked to post it. But I do agree with ya.
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SSG Bubba, thanks for posting the pic. I do remember it now. That too is very disrespectful. I am saddened the women lost their jobs but they brought it on themselves. Maybe they will learn to be more prudent in their actions in public next time.
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 Not appropriate at all in or out of uniform but more so in uniform.

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