Posted on Feb 14, 2014
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Should this airman receive any disciplinary action?
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Granted a picture does not capture the entire context but I find it hard to imagine a situation where it is not highly inappropriate.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
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Total disrespect and poor judgment for anyone who would do this in uniform and to post it on social media as being humorous. 
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I posted a response to one of my friends on another social network concerning the recent spate of disrespectful actions shown by some of our Military members. This is my comment:
 
I have had some time to consider the disrespect shown by our Military members over social media during the last week or so. While I agree with most that the Service Members involved likely feel that they are the Victims and that they really did nothing wrong. I have to question myself why though, and ultimately I don’t like the answer.
Many would say that this is a product of the millennial generation; that somehow these Soldiers coming in now are not made of the same metal as those of us that have been in for years and decades now, that somehow our row in the military was harder, I disagree. I have to look at this from another perspective, that there is a problem in how we are introducing our young recruits to the time honored traditions of the military.
As leaders in the Army (and for the Senior Airman I posted earlier in the week, leaders in the Air Force) we are charged with the responsibility to teach our Recruits and new members of our Unit the traditions held dear to the Army, and our Unit. It is our responsibility to ensure the Soldiers understand that this type of behavior is unacceptable, before it happens. Somewhere we failed as leaders, and that is the part I don’t like.
There are several instances that roll around in my mind, one sticks out that is similar to this within my own Unit. We were at the National Training Center in Fort Irwin, CA doing some Staff training before our rotation. A group of us consisting of Officers, Warrant Officers, Senior Non-Commissioned Officers, Enlisted, and even a couple of our civilian contractors had gathered to blow off some steam with a couple beers. It was nearing 10pm or 2200, and Taps was about to play, as the first note sounded a hush fell over the group; we stood silently, faced the music and rendered appropriate honors. Many others in the group likely had the same thoughts crossing their minds; thinking about all of those that that song represents, and thinking of the friends we had lost over the time we have spent in the service. Behind us, other Soldiers (we found out later that they were Captains and Lieutenants) began laughing and were generally being loud; this kind of disrespect shocked those of us out there. Our Sergeant Major had to turn and tell them to shut up and show some respect.
I see the lack of respect everyday even here in Kuwait as Soldiers rush to get indoors before 5pm (1700) and Retreat sounds. Retreat is another solemn tradition, it sounds as the US Flag is lowered from the flag pole and secured for the night. I see it on post as people drive by during retreat, while Soldiers stop their vehicles, stand outside of them and render honors to the lowering of the flag. Just days after September 11th 2001, our Battalion Commander pulled us together in a formation at 5pm, for the sole purpose of retreat, to honor not only our flag, but our Nation, a Nation that had been harmed and that would never be the same.
As leaders, we have failed to pass that respect, that sense of Duty and Honor to our Soldiers. That may in fact be why this hurts us so bad. For that I am Sorry.
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Good points about the Taps, CW2 Bouwens.  The same thing happens on our post but that is a great perspective to have.  It seems to me that a lot of people may not fully understand why the Taps, Retreat, etc is sounded on post.  I would like to believe that if everyone truly understood what you have explained here, they would be much more likely to not only render the proper salute but to encourage others to do so as well.
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I would like to chime in and agree with it's disrespectful nature and that the soldier should and hopefully was counselled/reprimanded on this. This to me goes to the larger pictures that EVERYONE especially folks wearing a uniform or representing say an agency or branch of service needs to be mindful that once it's up on the internet, it is out there forever!  

There is a story spreading like wildfire today about a Wisconsin National Guardsman who was suspended for posting Instagram pictures of her and her fellow soldiers posing by a flag draped coffin.  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-wisconsin-guard-20140218,0,1544257.story 
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SGT Steven Ransbottom
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Simple - Yes
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SGT John Rice
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To me this photo shows a service member being totally disrespectful to the memory of those who served and never returned. She and the photographer should be disciplined. Sadly though I doubt any action will be taken.
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I think that was disrespectful and the Service Member should be disciplined.  At the same time we need to go back to some of the past ways of training.  When I completed Basic Training and AIT in 1994 a had respect for the uniform.  Due to the war many service members have been pushed thru training and have had promotions handed to them to keep numbers up.  Now that the war is coming to an end it is up to us that were in the military pre OIF/OEF to to teach the younger generationof troops or those that do not have garrison experience how to carry and conduct themselves. 
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Excellent point , SSG Williams.
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SGT Weston Berry
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I feel like social media training is very important in today's Army (and society in general) because this photo is pretty much everywhere now and it will be forever. The internet doesn't forget. It's not like the old days where CSM would roll up on you doing something bad and hell fire would rain down through the immediate chain. This is comparable to a straight up H-Bomb. The President of the United States can now read about this in the Army Times. What kind of precedent does this set? A simple on the spot correction by the camera man could have saved this airmen's butt. Now she is in for a world of hurt even though both of these soldiers are in the wrong. The camera man is just as much in the wrong as the soldier committing the act. Who in their right mind would post this picture on social media?
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SFC Senior Supply Sergeant, Bn S4 Ncoic
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I'm speechless about this photo, completely speechless. I can't imagine this going unpunished. Especially with it on the Army Times web site. Wow. I don't understand what goes through peoples heads sometimes. 
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SSgt James Stanley
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<p>Definitely conduct unbecoming a Senior Airman. I would say that disciplinary action should be forthcoming. The photographer should not be held guiltless either.</p><p><br></p>
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