Posted on Feb 1, 2014
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Not intending for this to be an extensive discussion, but Im just wondering what happened to face paint in the Army? I've never had the chance to wear it and I've never seen anyone in person wearing it.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Do people still use it for concealment and during training?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>**Thanks MAJ Parker for sharing the Maybelline photo. It's my cover photo on Facebook :)</div>
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My unit just made it mandatory to have face paint on whenever in full battle rattle. Yes I understand it doesn't blend at all with our current uniform pattern, but who says we will have the same uniform during the next war we fight? As a Scout, we have been slowly moving away from COIN training of the past 10 years and going back to conventional warfare. A simple task such as how to properly wear face paint is one small step in that direction. As an Army we need to be prepared to go into any environment against any enemy. At first there was a lot of groaning about it, but the more it was looked into we as NCOs saw the training value for our unit. So even though it doesn't properly blend with our current uniform, it is a task that has far more training value than just being hidden.
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SSG(P) Infantry Combat Advisor
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Well face painting went away when we started adopting new gear; ie Velcro on our body armor. I remember going to the jungle in HI as a Pvt and had to have all of my gear silenced, black tapped, and face paint on every part of skin that was exposed. We were quiet, and moved through the jungle undetected. However, when we adopted Flak Jackets with Velcro, we through away our tactical sense of silence. Coupled with the fact that we have vehicles everywhere, everyone believe that a resupply is around the corner and they don't need to conserve as much. As a young Marine on my second deployment, I was in Kunar Province Afghanistan. The terrain was rough and we ran out of water. Due to the fact that there weren't any roads where we were, helicopters couldn't fly at that altitude, and the planes would resupply is as it was snowing, we did what we had to do by melting snow for water. I was taught this by my squad leader "you can survive three weeks without food, 3 days without water, and 3 minutes without ammo in a firefight; pack accordingly." I use this same mentality with my Soldiers now. I think we have lost our tactical sense.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I see you're infantry. All I can say is if you think we've lost our tactical sense, good Lord imagine what non combat MOSs are lacking. 
As many have said before, I think (and hope) with the drawdown we'll start training in those basic soldier skills again and build off of that. 
We'll just have to see! 
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LTC Paul Labrador
LTC Paul Labrador
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In Afghanistan, they are going to see you coming up a high desert valley or on the side of a mountain LONG before they notice you aren't wearing face paint. 


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SSG(P) Infantry Combat Advisor
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I agree with that sir, as our use of vehicles precludes us from being tactical. What happened to the days where a squad or platoon were dropped off, patrolled to a position, established a patrol base, and gained atmospherics of an area or village? Camouflage is continues, and to catch our enemy, we must be in the field, and be a part of the field. We can't conduct SLLS (stop, look, listen, and smell) from a vehicle.
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I don't know, it used to be a requirement every time you went to the field.  SGM's would raise hell if they saw any clean skin but not much point until we dispense with the ACU, you won't blend in anywhere but the moon unless you paint that too.
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MSG Brad Sand
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My daughter does it all the time. She really likes the kitty cat or butterfly...oh for concealment, not so much, but I would still recommend the kitty cat.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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MSG, I wish you were still active duty so I could be in your formation! That's my kind of Army! :)
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MSG Brad Sand
MSG Brad Sand
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SSG Woods,

So do I. I think you might not be so happy if I was checking your camo...I made sure we got our necks and ears. I would always amaze me when someone would spend an hour using eight colors on their face and leave their neck and ears glowing a pale white.
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true story. we wore it for one mission in Afghanistan during a recent deployment, (our mission was over watching and providing security for a separate engineer mission) and our platoon leader was reprimanded that we were setting a "hostile stance" during our patrols by wearing face paint. we were unapproachable by the Afghan people due to the "war paint."
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SFC Mark Merino
SFC Mark Merino
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SFC (Join to see) C'mon..."pinkies out"
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SPC David S.
SPC David S.
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What about being unapproachable by the T-Man!
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This is a fieldcraft skill that was lost, along with many others, over the last decade. Infantry units are already bringing it back into training, but there is a fieldcraft mindset that has been lost amongst our leaders after a decade of operating in COIN environment from FOBs in dessert or urban terrain.  It's time we brought it back, because the only certain about our next conflict is that it's location/operating environment/timing is uncertain.
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Ohhhhhh I remember those days! Yes baby oil helped make it easier to take off. I remember many raw faces after you tried to take it off. I remember the standard because "tiger stripes" weren't allowed. Eventually most units allowed you to apply as needed as long as the design wasn't too crazy. Definitely helped camouflage a person in a woodland environment.

Fast forward to today and we don't use it anymore due to our current operating environment but who knows when that will change again. I can see it coming back but who knows maybe it is a dead and gone old tradition.
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CSM Aircraft Maintenance Senior Sergeant
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I couldn't imagine trying to duplicate the UCP on your face....HA! Blob, Dot, Dot, Blob, Squiggly Shape, Blob, Dot.


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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Lol it would take a make-up...excuse me...a manly, war painting artist...to pull it off 1SG.
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SFC Senior Small Group Leader (Ssgl)
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I haven't wore camo paint since Korea (2005), seems like one day we all had to wear it, then the next day we weren't anymore.  I don't miss it, my face would get tore up trying to get it all off
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MSG Senior Counterintelligence Sergeant
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Back in my early years as an 11B between 2005 and 2008, we still used it.  Not sure if my old unit is still using it or not, but I mean, it wasn't THAT long ago.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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They had the digital ACUs back then right?
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SFC Counterintelligence (CI) Agent
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I remember caking that crap on when we were in BDUs and our battle plans still involved blending into environments with vegetation.  Not so much anymore, thus it went adios.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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After what SSG Broadbent said, I'm glad it did go away. 
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