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A little background about me I'm prior service Quartermaster (92W) and I branched Infantry/AG at OCS. I am going to attempt my best to pass the 5 mile at a 8 minute pace. However, I am 33 years old, with a bad knee and in 5 years in the Army I have never been able to break the 8 minute pace for a mile.
So my question is, if I fail IBOLC what will most likely happen to me?
UPDATE:
So I am going to unfollow this post and this will probably be the last time I check this forum/post. So I just wanted to post an update. I'm still awaiting my class date and I am still unsure whether I will pass the 5 mile run or not. There are a few notes that I like to make before I move on:
Notes to Responses:
Some of you have assumed that I chose Infantry as a branch knowing my physical limitations. I did not, I was forced branched into it. My cadre at OCS knew of my physical issues, as all of it is documented with the Army. My knee issues, my loose skin on my stomach and suffering from astigmatism in one eye. I know Infantry will present issues, I cannot shot well and I can't run to save my life. As a Quartermaster it was all about my work ethic, willingness to accept responsibility and mastering my field. Being a Quartermaster played to my strengths, while Infantry depends on areas I am physically deficient in.
Some of you have assumed that I can just change, I cannot. My options are to try to pass IBOLC or be chaptered as an academic failure. Also as a branch detailed Officer, I am unable to transfer into Quartermaster. Just to note, I did not want AG either.
Some of you have offered support and I thank you for that. Know that I am not a person who is always negative about themselves. During my time as enlisted I went from having no degree/no college credit to having a Master's in two years time, all while on Active Duty. I was told that was impossible by pretty much everyone and I did it. The same people who told me that it was impossible would later ask me for help in their academic pursuits. At 33 I know what I am capable of and my physical limitations.
Personal Note:
Going Infantry defeats the main purpose of why I wanted to be an Officer. As stated before I feel that most Officers should have to serve some enlisted time in the branch they want, learn the basics and move up. I can look at an E1 to E5 Quartermaster and tell them that I know what they are going through. Because I been there, I have done their job and faced their challenges. Challenges from their work to simply trying to make points for promotion. As for Infantry, I cannot really relate to what an enlisted Infantryman is going through and I won't pretend to. I believed my intentions to be honorable and worthy of note, the OCS Commandant/Cadre believed differently.
Again thank you to all of those who showed me support and wished me well. I will try my best to pass IBOLC.
So my question is, if I fail IBOLC what will most likely happen to me?
UPDATE:
So I am going to unfollow this post and this will probably be the last time I check this forum/post. So I just wanted to post an update. I'm still awaiting my class date and I am still unsure whether I will pass the 5 mile run or not. There are a few notes that I like to make before I move on:
Notes to Responses:
Some of you have assumed that I chose Infantry as a branch knowing my physical limitations. I did not, I was forced branched into it. My cadre at OCS knew of my physical issues, as all of it is documented with the Army. My knee issues, my loose skin on my stomach and suffering from astigmatism in one eye. I know Infantry will present issues, I cannot shot well and I can't run to save my life. As a Quartermaster it was all about my work ethic, willingness to accept responsibility and mastering my field. Being a Quartermaster played to my strengths, while Infantry depends on areas I am physically deficient in.
Some of you have assumed that I can just change, I cannot. My options are to try to pass IBOLC or be chaptered as an academic failure. Also as a branch detailed Officer, I am unable to transfer into Quartermaster. Just to note, I did not want AG either.
Some of you have offered support and I thank you for that. Know that I am not a person who is always negative about themselves. During my time as enlisted I went from having no degree/no college credit to having a Master's in two years time, all while on Active Duty. I was told that was impossible by pretty much everyone and I did it. The same people who told me that it was impossible would later ask me for help in their academic pursuits. At 33 I know what I am capable of and my physical limitations.
Personal Note:
Going Infantry defeats the main purpose of why I wanted to be an Officer. As stated before I feel that most Officers should have to serve some enlisted time in the branch they want, learn the basics and move up. I can look at an E1 to E5 Quartermaster and tell them that I know what they are going through. Because I been there, I have done their job and faced their challenges. Challenges from their work to simply trying to make points for promotion. As for Infantry, I cannot really relate to what an enlisted Infantryman is going through and I won't pretend to. I believed my intentions to be honorable and worthy of note, the OCS Commandant/Cadre believed differently.
Again thank you to all of those who showed me support and wished me well. I will try my best to pass IBOLC.
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I guess your in a spot where you do the best that you can do, and it seems a bit strange to force you into an infantry slot you don't want. Especially given your age and a bad knee. An 8 minute pace certinly isn't killer, but it could be given you've never done that had your knee is a problem. Best of luck LT hoping it works out for you.
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If after 5 years you are feeling broken, are you going to be able to push through, lead, and set the example to young impressionable soldiers after 10 or 15 years? I think that you just need to change your goal. The goal is not 8 min miles, that is the minimum. Would you accept the minimum from your soldiers? I hope not. Not sure what kind of leaders you had or what kind of leadership examples you had as an enlisted man but as a leader, average doesn’t cut it in this business. You need to aim higher and set goals and timelines for your success. Work so hard that failure isn’t an option. Work so hard that you do not allow yourself to feel self pitty because you have worked so hard and achieved your goal. Work hard, believe in yourself, than work a little harder. That is the recipe for success.
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That is a lot of judgment for someone you don't know. My knees have wear and tear from me weighing over 300lbs for a few years in my life. Not only that but I am not a person to give up easily, I went from having no college degree to having a Master's degree in two years.
As for accepting minimums, I understand physically limitations and playing to your strengths. I wouldn't push unrealistic expectations on my soldiers.
Not only that but I am training hard for the 5 mile run, but the realist in me tells me that if I have not been able to do it in 5 years. I most likely won't be able to change that in 4 months.
As for accepting minimums, I understand physically limitations and playing to your strengths. I wouldn't push unrealistic expectations on my soldiers.
Not only that but I am training hard for the 5 mile run, but the realist in me tells me that if I have not been able to do it in 5 years. I most likely won't be able to change that in 4 months.
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There's a difference between watching a soldier slack off, and watching a soldier try his hardest and not be able to accomplish something.
Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. Some are pt studs, some are geniuses and others fall in the middle somewhere. As a leader it is my job to play to the strengths of my team and make sure that they are able to accomplish the mission.
Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. Some are pt studs, some are geniuses and others fall in the middle somewhere. As a leader it is my job to play to the strengths of my team and make sure that they are able to accomplish the mission.
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GySgt (Join to see) you write, “Work hard, believe in yourself, than work a little harder. That is the recipe for success.”
Respectfully, it’s just not that simple. If it were, everyone in the minor leagues would be in the Major Leagues. Every Division III basketball player would play Division I. Etc.
Everyone has a physical/mental ceiling. It’s why military Physical fitness tests are graded on a percentile scale. Not everyone can be in the 99th percentile
2LT (Join to see) doesn’t appear to be asking for pity. He stated the situation, and then asked the collective military knowledge of RP of what might happen if he didn’t make that standard. He repeatedly stated he’s preparing, working hard, and doing everything possible. I see no problem with him wanting to be prepared for all possible outcomes.
Im not sure what kind of leaders you had or what kind of leadership examples you had as an enlisted man but as a leader, average doesn’t cut it in this business. And lack of prepation is not average. It’s substandard.
Im sure there are military schools that you would fail to meet the minimum standard, no matter how hard you tried. That’s not a bad thing. It just means that sometimes, working hard, self belief and working hard again just aren’t enough.
Best of luck.
Respectfully, it’s just not that simple. If it were, everyone in the minor leagues would be in the Major Leagues. Every Division III basketball player would play Division I. Etc.
Everyone has a physical/mental ceiling. It’s why military Physical fitness tests are graded on a percentile scale. Not everyone can be in the 99th percentile
2LT (Join to see) doesn’t appear to be asking for pity. He stated the situation, and then asked the collective military knowledge of RP of what might happen if he didn’t make that standard. He repeatedly stated he’s preparing, working hard, and doing everything possible. I see no problem with him wanting to be prepared for all possible outcomes.
Im not sure what kind of leaders you had or what kind of leadership examples you had as an enlisted man but as a leader, average doesn’t cut it in this business. And lack of prepation is not average. It’s substandard.
Im sure there are military schools that you would fail to meet the minimum standard, no matter how hard you tried. That’s not a bad thing. It just means that sometimes, working hard, self belief and working hard again just aren’t enough.
Best of luck.
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I am Active Duty and was 5 years prior Enlisted Active Duty. As for the branch I did not choose it, I submitted a branch packet to go back in as a Quartermaster, of which I was told it was denied.
I don't lack motivation, trust me without getting to personal I have plenty of motivation.
I don't lack motivation, trust me without getting to personal I have plenty of motivation.
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I get the same answer "suck it up". Meanwhile I am not new to this, I been working on my run for the last 6 years and I have seen little to no improvement.
Besides from my knee. I carry an extra 8lbs of dead weight around from loose skin, due to extreme weight loss.
Besides from my knee. I carry an extra 8lbs of dead weight around from loose skin, due to extreme weight loss.
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IBLOC will be a great place to see the practice and training you are going to PAY OFF!
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