Posted on Feb 9, 2016
What holds more weight an E-5 in a E-6 position or a E-5 with more time in grade? Also should the more senior E-5 be in the E-6 position?
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You can play devil advocate with this question. But I'll go with the E5 who is serving in the E6 position. You can be the senior E5 all you want, but if you're not in the position then that speaks your inability to lead
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Of course, but the question did not clarify if they were in different platoons or not. If that were the case then yes the senior E5 should be serving in the E6 position. But like I said you can still play devil's advocate because what the senior E5 isn't promotable? Hence why I said you can play devil's advocate with this question.
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SGT Philip Keys
Politics play a part in this type of thing not to mention the senior e5 might be to good and makes the higher ups look bad. We can all sit here and Monday morning quarterback this question. I was always an e5 in e7 slots, wasn't fun at all. The worst part was when they found a real e7 to move in the troops would always question him and then say SGT Keys didnt do things this way...instantly I'm hated. Ncoer from among the best to average. That's why I got out, one guy hosed me on getting my e6 because I was better doing his job than he was. Tons of things we don't know but the first thing I thought was the senior guy might be a slug.
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SFC Dennis A.
SSG Eric Eck - I agree, I was put in the position as Platoon Sergeant, three of my squad leaders out ranked me by time in grade. It had nothing to do with their leadership ability, the decision was based on experience in our MOS field. I can be a very tricky situation and requires a lot of tact.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
SN Greg Wright - , uhh, detaining. Arrests can only be made by officers, usually the suspects CO.
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The E5 with the TIG should be asking himself why he is not in the E6 slot...
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SGT (Join to see) Apples and oranges comparison. Your scenario discusses 2 SGT's with one sitting in a SSG position. A SSG sitting in a PSG position (which is a SFC position) a SFC comes in obviously the SFC will assume the position consummate with his grade.
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SGT (Join to see) - The orders for the position would have the NCO written into the position that they will be filling. Typically the SFC would be taking over as the PLT SGT, due to the MTOE. Straight forward, the MTOE tells all.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
SGT (Join to see) - , Methinks PSGs have gone the way of the dinosaur and all are SFCs now, even 11 series MOS where PSGs used to be the thing.
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I gotta agree....you can be in whatever position or have all the time in grade in the world....competence goes along way
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SSG Lenzie Bailey
Makes an old proud to have worn my Chevrons when I see statements like this! You are soooooo right!
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Position,but situation dictates. I have seen an E5 in an E7 position in an S shop, inside the shop he is the man. Out side the shop he is held as an E5.
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SGT Russell Wikoff
I was the S6 for my BN just before they actually had S6. Talk about an awkward chain of command. I was in the 3 shop, and the first year was pretty independent. I reported to the S3 NCOIC, the S3, the BN XO, and the Colonel
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An e-5 in a squad leader position is higher that an E-5 not in position. While the Senior E-5 SHOULD be placed in the position due to TIG, it is the PSG/PL's prerogative to assign the position to the most qualified. The PSG would need to counsel the Senior E-5 as to the reasons why they are not receiving this honor. I hope this makes sense!
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In a broad Soldier A to Soldier B sense, the E-5 with TIG outranks the one in the E-6 slot. If the one in the E-6 slot has been placed in a leadership position over the other, then he is senior. TIG should never be the go to for who deserves a position of authority or a promotion. There are so many people in the military who skate through their career and play the game of just barely meeting requirements, who do not deserve to progress their career. There are also those who do a great job but just don't want the extra responsibility that comes with being promoted.
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Position always trumps rank especially at Company or BN level. Here is a good example: A SP4 was put into the Mess Section NCOIC position over a SGT and SSG in a field Hosp. This SP4 knew field operations inside and out and also knew the logistics to handle large field operations and large patents loads. This SP4 went on to be highly sought after by other BN Commanders and on a norm always held positions way above his pay grade through out his active duty carer.
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By regulation, the E-5 with more time in grade is superior, but you're dealing with semantics. Time in grade should never determine who is best suited for a position of greater responsibility, your performance should.
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Apparently the Jr SGT/E5 is the better NCO for the job. I don't think time in grade or service matters when it comes to getting the job done! I was in a similar position as a SGT, where I was put in charge of a squad of 88M's as we were all chosen to field test the FMTV's at Bragg in the mid 90's. I was a 67S Helicopter Mechanic/Crewchief but I had a Sr SGT/E5 88M as my assistant squad leader. At first it was kinda strange telling an NCO almost 3 times my senior to go do anything. But I treated him with the respect I thought he deserved and he did the same for me for the position I was in and we had no problems. And as a side note I would like to give you some advice passed on down to me from one of my old BN CSM's. To address ourselves as paygrade then that is all you are a paygrade! You want to be known as a SGT or even better yet a NCO!
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A Sergeant is a Sergeant regardless of the aforementioned statuses. What holds the most weight is what kind of Sergeant you choose to be.
I have seen excellent buck Sergeants appointed to high positions because of their knowledge, maturity, and leadership abilities. I have seen senior Sergeants pushed to the wayside in nominal positions due to the lack of the previous listed qualities.
I know I didn't answer your question, but I provided my opinion on what makes the biggest difference. So I guess, a more able Sergeant is more apt to be assigned to a higher position therefore, the higher appointed Sergeant would garner more respect and "weight".
I have seen excellent buck Sergeants appointed to high positions because of their knowledge, maturity, and leadership abilities. I have seen senior Sergeants pushed to the wayside in nominal positions due to the lack of the previous listed qualities.
I know I didn't answer your question, but I provided my opinion on what makes the biggest difference. So I guess, a more able Sergeant is more apt to be assigned to a higher position therefore, the higher appointed Sergeant would garner more respect and "weight".
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