Posted on Mar 26, 2016
What is a particular problem with poor leadership in the Army? What approach or plan can we take to improve it?
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Too few are willing to actually invest themselves into their troops, their mission and their unit. How can we fix it, continue to live and lead by example...get rid of the damned surveys and get to know our people - seems every week there is a new damned survey or some god idea fairy with new online training requirements. We've advanced to the point where we are going backwards - emails are more important than actual discussions. When I discuss training with 1SGs & Platoon Sergeants and provide recommendation of using butcher block and 550 cord I am looked at like something is wrong....so its why you have to inspect what you expect, get out there and see what is really going on, you cannot lead from behind a computer screen, when you plan, rehearse and conduct realistic training (with your troops) you might even get a couple of those things on your hands we used to call callouses.
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SFC Don Ward
SGT (Join to see) - I think a lot of "leaders" are afraid to stand up TO soldiers these days.
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CSM great point. I cannot agree with you more but we all know that a lot of NCO's do believe you can inspect and train from behind a computer screen. Believe me being a 42A some of my soldiers love being behind that screen. That's why I make time every week to get outside and do some good ol army training
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MSG (Join to see)
in the rc we have alot of on line trianing to do, but what ends up happening is the sms dont do it at home which by the way is faster, instead we had to do it at the unit, which took all day, which then in turn deleteted any other good training because of suspence dates from higher, when i was ca i would get my ass handed to me if this wasnt done prior to drill, in med unit the excusses i dont get paid for was the biggest.
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SFC Jim Farr
SGT (Join to see) - YOU ARE SO RIGHT... NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO TELL THE POS PANZY POTUS .... NO!!!
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Get away from from being PC and get back to treating pvts like pvts stop coddling them. Stop lowering the standards for the sake of being nice and PC.
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SFC Don Ward
Working with AIT Privates, under the auspices of TRADOC Regulation 350-6 is an eye opening experience for every NCO that enters this "position of trust" (look that one up). My latest favorite ruling - our privates cannot carry rucksacks anymore, and must tote their gear in a laundry bag so that the rucks don't tear up the bus seats. Required to get one hour of "personal" time each night, with no less than seven hours of sleep. And one of our Commanders required the Drill Sergeants be "nice".
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1SG (Join to see)
The problem is that Soldiers have more ways to report Seniors for doing their jobs. We should go back to the days where we mold Soldiers to be able to deal with the issues associated with war.
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SSG (Join to see)
Teaching soldiers to deal with issues goes all the way back to their parents they come to us with none of life's skills which we were given by our parents so its a up hill battle from the word go but now we are starting at the bottom of the hill instead of somewhere in the middle.
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The Army's current systems promotes selfishness and individualism. It's all about the Soldier's personal accomplishments, tabs, badges, etc. Everyone is trying to hold their own career together.
In the Army's infinite search to assess and promote the correct leaders, it has created a system that ranks them against their peers. This determines future promotion. A guy has a wife and two kids and a great life. Is he trying to help out the guy on his right that he's technically competing against to keep his job and pay his bills?
I could write a 50 page essay on this topic, but I believe this hits on the biggest issue.
In the Army's infinite search to assess and promote the correct leaders, it has created a system that ranks them against their peers. This determines future promotion. A guy has a wife and two kids and a great life. Is he trying to help out the guy on his right that he's technically competing against to keep his job and pay his bills?
I could write a 50 page essay on this topic, but I believe this hits on the biggest issue.
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CPT(P) (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - I'm actually haven't arrived to my unit yet. In my enlisted time I witnessed a number of scenarios (particularly property issues) take the wind out of the sails of some great leaders. They were basically thrown under bus and/or did not get the kind of help that other PLs and NCOs could've offered.
Sir, I agree it has very tangible and objective benefits, but I believe it can contribute to a separation in aid among peers. Ideally this would not happen, but it solely depends on the personality of those PLs/NCOs. If the commander is unable to pick up on those dynamics, it may not be addressed and therefore reflect on an NCOER or OER.
I believe it has it's good and bad points. It's just one of the potential reasons for the more recent issues in Army leadership.
Sir, I agree it has very tangible and objective benefits, but I believe it can contribute to a separation in aid among peers. Ideally this would not happen, but it solely depends on the personality of those PLs/NCOs. If the commander is unable to pick up on those dynamics, it may not be addressed and therefore reflect on an NCOER or OER.
I believe it has it's good and bad points. It's just one of the potential reasons for the more recent issues in Army leadership.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I see your point however, I see this as a possible fix to the current problem. Officers who are consistently rated low "shouldn't" be promoted to MAJ. The only people who wont like it are those who are always rated at the bottom of their class.
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MSG (Join to see)
unfortunately my co was an ltc but because of the issue in his command he had to retire as a maj
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SSG (Join to see)
Well Sir's this coming from a lowly SSG, I completely agree with 2Lt Everett it is all about the glamor and the schools and has nothing to do with Competence I have watched SMs and Officers walk up the ladder and yet have no idea how to do their job let alone teach someone how to do theirs. Do you remember one of your jobs as a leader is to teach your juniors to do your job and for you to learn the job of the person above you. Start adding merit to the promotion consideration again. Over the years I have been in front of many promotion boards even competed for NCO of the year a few times and I have turned and walked out of many of them if half way thru the interview all the questions I get are, repeat the Soldiers creed, the NCOs creed, the army song, the army values, AR670 quotes, on and on like that I generally say thank you but apparently you don't care if I can do my job or lead troops you care if I can Memorize poems and Reg's. I cant tell you how many NCO's and Officers I saw while deployed that were a dam embarrassment had no idea how to lead and do their jobs.
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