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So I've been out for over a year. And random questions pop up in my head.
Frocking what exactly is it. From my understanding it's allows an e7 to put on the diamond for command portion as a1SG. along the lines of that correct?
Does a frockie always guaranteed to be promoted. Or is it away for the army to get more out of you for less pay.
I'm not trying to offend but being a young buck SGT when I got out I always wonder.
Frocking what exactly is it. From my understanding it's allows an e7 to put on the diamond for command portion as a1SG. along the lines of that correct?
Does a frockie always guaranteed to be promoted. Or is it away for the army to get more out of you for less pay.
I'm not trying to offend but being a young buck SGT when I got out I always wonder.
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Frocking
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Frocked NCOs are already promotable (promotion guaranteed, unless the NCO messes up)...it allows for the NCO to wear the rank while awaiting for their sequence number to be announced, normally within 12-months..
Frocking can be found in AR 614-200 -
SGM -
Soldiers selected for attendance to the United States Army Sergeants Major Course (USASMC) for the purpose of promotion to SGM may be frocked to SGM upon graduation of resident USASMC. Frocking approval authority is the CG, HRC. Frocking is a means to support initial assignment upon completion of the USASMC.
1SG -
Frocking of sergeant first class promotable to first sergeant -
a. Sergeants first class (P) who are assigned to an authorized 1SG position may wear the grade of 1SG.
b. Commanders (LTC and above) may authorize and approve frocking of SFC(P) to be assigned as 1SG within their command.
c. Frocking will not be approved to provide an interim fill for a 1SG position.
d. Frocking will not be accomplished until assumption of duties as a 1SG.
e. Identification cards, official records (ERB) will not be changed to show a frocked grade.
f. Frocking may be announced by using an informal memorandum.
g. Soldiers who have been frocked as 1SG, subsequently promoted to MSG, and reassigned will retain the grade of 1SG or be laterally appointed to MSG.
Frocking can be found in AR 614-200 -
SGM -
Soldiers selected for attendance to the United States Army Sergeants Major Course (USASMC) for the purpose of promotion to SGM may be frocked to SGM upon graduation of resident USASMC. Frocking approval authority is the CG, HRC. Frocking is a means to support initial assignment upon completion of the USASMC.
1SG -
Frocking of sergeant first class promotable to first sergeant -
a. Sergeants first class (P) who are assigned to an authorized 1SG position may wear the grade of 1SG.
b. Commanders (LTC and above) may authorize and approve frocking of SFC(P) to be assigned as 1SG within their command.
c. Frocking will not be approved to provide an interim fill for a 1SG position.
d. Frocking will not be accomplished until assumption of duties as a 1SG.
e. Identification cards, official records (ERB) will not be changed to show a frocked grade.
f. Frocking may be announced by using an informal memorandum.
g. Soldiers who have been frocked as 1SG, subsequently promoted to MSG, and reassigned will retain the grade of 1SG or be laterally appointed to MSG.
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Everyone in the Navy who promotes to E-4 and above are froked to there. You hold your your rank and all responsibilities but are not entitled to pay or allowances till your advancement date wich could be up to a year. The only way you dont have to wait for your pay or allowances is to be meritoriously advanced.
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SGT Rodger Armstrong, I was frocked to SGT when I was a promotable SP4. My 1SG did that for me because I was serving as a Team Leader and that was an E-5 position. So, for a few months, I was an E-4, frocked to SGT, and filling an E-5 slot.
I never thought of it as getting more out of me for less. I thought of it as an honor - to be a SGT, to be addressed as Sergeant, before I actually was promoted.
I never thought of it as getting more out of me for less. I thought of it as an honor - to be a SGT, to be addressed as Sergeant, before I actually was promoted.
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Now a days E4 are laterally promoted to CPL instead of SGT. Assuming they are filling a slot and have some leadership responsibilities.
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SGT Rodger Armstrong
Hmm along the lines of CPL would that be considered a frock. Being you are in a leadership position. But still being a e4. Hope this is understandable my mouth is hurting and took some pain meds lol
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actually no, SGT Armstrong. Frocking is to the next rank (i.e. a promotable SFC serving as a 1SG is pinned with 1SG rank, but still paid as a SFC). A SPC is laterally appointed to Corporal, not promoted, as they are the same pay grade, one with leadership one without. In their daily scope of duties and position.
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SGT Paul Russo
After Nam there was a huge drawdown in personal, My Company was reduced to barely a skeleton crew that was missing some key positions it was a true Charlie Foxtrot, During this time frame I was a lowly Spec-4 in line for my Hard Stripes as I had already been boarded, This was a Direct Support Shop an I was assigned to Tech Inspection Section which was supposed to have a E-7 SFC as NCOIC. I was tagged ( Frocked ) to run the section. I took it as my Commanders felt I had the necessary exp to run it an was told it would be a temp assignment till a replacement came available. I finally got my hard stripes to E5 about 3 months later, However I continued to run the Tech Inspection Section for another 2 years
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It's a little more than that. First, the person must be promotable to the rank they are being frocked to. Then, they must be in a position that would require that rank (e.g. SFC (P) serving as a 1SG). I am not sure on the exact approval for it, but that is the basis for it.
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SGT Rodger Armstrong
So is a frockie always going to get promoted. So he/she make actual e9 or can he/she get pushed back to e8
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1SG....I think there has been a change in this, from what I hear heard, all students of the academy a promoted to SGM upon graduation. Then laterally promoted to CSM if / when that days comes.
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CSM Mike Maynard
Actually sir, all MSGs are frocked to SGM upon graduation from the Sergeants Major Course, not promoted. They still have to wait on their sequence number, which could be up to a year, to come up for their actual date of rank. And the catch is, there service obligation begins at that point, not when their frocked.
And, just a point of clarification on the wording, we are actually "appointed" to CSM, not promoted.
And, just a point of clarification on the wording, we are actually "appointed" to CSM, not promoted.
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I dont know about other branches of the military however, in the Navy, when you get the advancement results back to your unit, the Captain or CO has the authority to grant the individual who got promoted the opportunity to go ahead and wear the stripe/chevron/anchor the were being tested for ahead of the official promotion date in a frocking ceremony. The individual will not receive the pay or allowances until the official promotion date, but it lets the individual actually wear the rank.
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CSM Tony Bowen
I'm not going to give you my wife's definition. LOL She hated it.
If you make the 1SG list or SGM/CSM list in the enlisted side of the house and your unit requests you to be frocked through HRC you can wear that rank prior to your sequence number coming up. They will only approve so many and you have to be working in that slot. They also do it for MAJ(P) and LTC(P) (Promotable).
If you make the 1SG list or SGM/CSM list in the enlisted side of the house and your unit requests you to be frocked through HRC you can wear that rank prior to your sequence number coming up. They will only approve so many and you have to be working in that slot. They also do it for MAJ(P) and LTC(P) (Promotable).
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SGT William Howell
My 1SG was frocked CSM just before we left for Iraq in 2004. I had seen it in the Navy, but until then never in the Army.
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In the Navy all new Chief Petty Officers (E-7) get frocked at a certain time of year then their actual date of rank will be at different times after that.
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PO2 Robert Hunter
That's typically for ceremonial purposes, isn't it? Becoming a Chief is a big deal.
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"What is Frocking?"
Well....you see....when a rank and a pay grade have just too much love for each other, they get married, and then they frock until the stork brings a rank without a pay grade.
Well....you see....when a rank and a pay grade have just too much love for each other, they get married, and then they frock until the stork brings a rank without a pay grade.
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Sometimes, in the part time components, a soldier will be frocked because of some special circumstance that makes a promotion ceremony more valuable. I can think of a couple examples from my experience.
During an AT (annual training) at Fort Dix, we had an opportunity to travel to the WTC site for a VIP access to the construction zone and to get a tour of the harbor through the Army Corps of Engineers. The then Chief of Engineers (don't remember the General's name) was present and wanted to do a promotion ceremony. The SGT was frocked with SSG rank about 2 months early.
I have also seen frocking to work around visiting family member's schedule.
Granted this is a different "type" of frocking then using the tool to put a promotable E7 into a 1SG slot.
During an AT (annual training) at Fort Dix, we had an opportunity to travel to the WTC site for a VIP access to the construction zone and to get a tour of the harbor through the Army Corps of Engineers. The then Chief of Engineers (don't remember the General's name) was present and wanted to do a promotion ceremony. The SGT was frocked with SSG rank about 2 months early.
I have also seen frocking to work around visiting family member's schedule.
Granted this is a different "type" of frocking then using the tool to put a promotable E7 into a 1SG slot.
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Yeah, I was just messing with you. Personally I see it as a way of making someone take more responsibility without paying them for it.
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