Posted on Oct 26, 2016
What is it like to switch branches from Marines to other branches, specifically USAF?
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I have recruiters calling and asking me for my interest in their branch. I don't have experience in any branch besides the Marines. A little bit of information regarding the culture and customs of each branch would be extremely helpful. I'm interested in the USAF because they are well funded, have better mess facilities, have ample job opportunities and other perks.
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i went from army to Marines. i can tell you this, the Marines were more fun. believe it or not, the other services are more chickenshit about minor things.
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Sgt Wayne Wood
SSG Alex Alexander
The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
-- Eleanor Roosevelt
The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
-- Eleanor Roosevelt
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I went from the Corps to the Air Force. The discipline, bearing and attitudes where very foreign in the beginning. Just a different mentality to get use to. But you will never remove the Marine mentality where ever you land. Truthfully I wanted to go back to the Corps. But due to circumstances beyond my control I stayed where I was at. In the end it all worked out. Good luck!
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CW3 Harvey K.
MSgt (Join to see) - The term "Fascist" is rather excessive, but IIRC those who went the furthest in "punishing" others in the Milgram obedience experiments were found to be the higher F-scale people.
BTW a classmate and I had identical scores, at a low F-scale level which the professor noted was typical of CEOs. The explanation was that effective senior management has less interest in carrying out orders from authorities and issuing orders to underlings, and more concern in finding out exactly what methods should be implemented to achieve the goals of the organization.
I remember remarking to that classmate that there was only one place in the corporate structure for us, CEO.
BTW a classmate and I had identical scores, at a low F-scale level which the professor noted was typical of CEOs. The explanation was that effective senior management has less interest in carrying out orders from authorities and issuing orders to underlings, and more concern in finding out exactly what methods should be implemented to achieve the goals of the organization.
I remember remarking to that classmate that there was only one place in the corporate structure for us, CEO.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
At the moment, we (the husband and I, both retired USMC) are staying at my sister's farm in San Antonio due to work. She says she can tell when we have any Air Force personnel in our sights, because we give these little winces and the corners of our eyes start ticking.... I keep telling her, its not the Air Force, its seeing them wandering thru shopping centers or grocery stores in Cammies. Especially when we see them in the parking lot, covers in hand, just chatting and smoking with others... Still in Uniform... You can leave the Marines, but you never mentally LEAVE the Marines, my friend.
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We are just gonna give you shit for it all the time. JSYK. but your still a brother to me
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
My father, a WWII Island Hopper, who filled in for CB's because of his farm experience in heavy equipment, and was considered the best shot in four of the five units he was with, and outlived during those years, taught me the 'bark' as a little girl, and he LOVED taking me to the base, in my tiny little USMC uniform and my wooden rifle, and showing his troops how the manual of arms was done... My mom went back to work when I was three, so my dad had care of me most afternoons, without a clue how to raise a daughter, but all sorts of experience training Marines...
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Going from the Marine Corps to the Air Force was not a good thing for me. Sworn in, sent to Moody AFB and told to go to work. Trying to learn a new airframe,New rank structure, New ways of doing things, New uniforms, and all the rest -- by what was essentially OJT.
"We're Marines, we work until the job is finished"? Don't try that in the Air Force, you'll get in trouble for working too long! I wish I'd strayed in the Corps.
Some people make it work,and they do quite well. I wasn't able to do so.
"We're Marines, we work until the job is finished"? Don't try that in the Air Force, you'll get in trouble for working too long! I wish I'd strayed in the Corps.
Some people make it work,and they do quite well. I wasn't able to do so.
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MSgt Bryan Kaut
And you’re generalizing, there are a lot of expeditionary Airmen, I was with the 3D Combat Communications Group for 17 year of my 20. We deployed to bare bases all over the globe and duty hours were always until the work was done. Airmen aren’t always watching the clock and Marines are always on duty around the clock. I deployed with every branch and no one missed chow or stayed late because of the uniform they wore. I appreciate your all of service, AIM HIGH AND SEMPER FI!
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TSgt (Join to see)
MSgt Bryan Kaut - Well you don't work on airplanes that way in the Air Force unless you get a signoff by an O6. I put down my experience and you call me a damn liar. You seem to indicate you never touched an airplane so I doubt you have the credentials to call me anything other than dedicated.
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MSgt Bryan Kaut
Nobody called you a liar! You made a statement that in the Marines work until the job is done and the AF will ding you for working to long. That may have been your experience, but it is far from the norm. You’re the one that implied this was the way the AF worked vs the Marines.
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CPO Dan Wiberg
TSgt (Join to see) - Just like in the Navy you worked till the job was done. Why? Because on a ship you had no home to go to and the ship must remain 100%. It is your life and something all have to rely on. When you were in port the days were almost as long because the lowest bidder provided the crap you had to constantly repair. Readiness was paramount. The ship could be called on any second to do what it was designed for.
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Sad but a fact of life for many career military who are Marines. I went from Army to Marines, so I really can't help you sort out your answer, but I can tell you that Prior-Service Marines are a breed apart in other branches. We tend to grind our teeth a lot over small things, and barely hold in our horror and shock at casual use of first names on the job... and a hundred other things that you are going to find in the USAF.
Some of those things are... bases are not in swamps, deserts or variations thereof. There are actually some large cities around their bases, and there are a lot more jobs available... and more rank.
If you make the jump, and if you have family, you probably will, because rank is a battle in the Corps, and no matter how much you love the Corps, sometimes, you have to consider what is best for you and yours.
Whatever you decide, baby brother, know that you aren't the first, and you won't be the last. Take advantage of what training you can, consider what will cross over to the civilian world when you take that leap, carry yourself like a Marine, and remember we've got your back when you want to start talking about "Back in the day...."
Some of those things are... bases are not in swamps, deserts or variations thereof. There are actually some large cities around their bases, and there are a lot more jobs available... and more rank.
If you make the jump, and if you have family, you probably will, because rank is a battle in the Corps, and no matter how much you love the Corps, sometimes, you have to consider what is best for you and yours.
Whatever you decide, baby brother, know that you aren't the first, and you won't be the last. Take advantage of what training you can, consider what will cross over to the civilian world when you take that leap, carry yourself like a Marine, and remember we've got your back when you want to start talking about "Back in the day...."
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
OK, so I didn't know that... thanks for laying the truth down.... I was thinking most any service was easier than the Marines... I mean really... 6 slots Corps-wide for this MOS or that one... Got frustrating after a while, when you were just three points off the cut off...but that's just sour grapes muttering from a full MOS.
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Cpl Aussie Kimble
SSgt Christopher Brose - i went into the corps in 91 and left in 95. my friends i was in highschool with was pushing e-5 to e-6 in 4 years. i could at best get e-4 so where u comin from with that bs
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SSgt Christopher Brose
Cpl Aussie Kimble
A. I never said anything about promotions in the Marine Corps.
B. Advancement in the Marine Corps differs greatly from MOS to MOS.
C. Advancement in the other services also varies depending on MOS, but overall, Air Force tends to promote slower. Nothing about what I said earlier is BS.
D. MOS is not the only variable. It's entirely possible that you didn't get promoted either because you got in trouble, or because you simply weren't as competitive as other Marines in your MOS.
A. I never said anything about promotions in the Marine Corps.
B. Advancement in the Marine Corps differs greatly from MOS to MOS.
C. Advancement in the other services also varies depending on MOS, but overall, Air Force tends to promote slower. Nothing about what I said earlier is BS.
D. MOS is not the only variable. It's entirely possible that you didn't get promoted either because you got in trouble, or because you simply weren't as competitive as other Marines in your MOS.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
SSgt Christopher Brose - You are probably right about that. I was, at the time, dealing with a really serious back injury that made doing a full PFT impossible, and we were dealing with going from no kids to twin 3 month olds at the time, due to suddenly becoming the parents of our nieces after the Brother in law was murdered. I was thinking of all sorts of things back then, and not paying much attention to how to get a few extra points on my score to make the cut. You are right about that... I wasn't competitive in that last year, and no one but me to blame
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One thing to remember is that even within the services there can be huge cultural differences. When I switched from Tanks to Crypto Repair it was a huge cultural change. When I had to lead Cable Dogs as an Installer Team Lead, it was completely different than leading Tech's like myself in a GS Maintenance shop.
I will say that you probably want the Specialty that is most difficult to qualify for, that you can see yourself enjoying, and that offers the most ACE credits for MOS training. Next I would look at the clearance required for the specialty, when it comes time to get out you want to have the background that is going to transition into a good paying job.
I will say that you probably want the Specialty that is most difficult to qualify for, that you can see yourself enjoying, and that offers the most ACE credits for MOS training. Next I would look at the clearance required for the specialty, when it comes time to get out you want to have the background that is going to transition into a good paying job.
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I would say the differences in culture can vary not only between branches, but between jobs as well. The AF treats people differently than any other branch at least from my perspective. The way airmen act and speak around SNCOs and officers is extremely different than that of the MC. I know the Army and MC like to have barriers where typically young enlisted don't have much interaction with someone like a Lt. Col. However, even with less than a year in the Air Force I remember going to the chow hall with my Director of Operations (O-5) while deployed and eating and talking to him like he was just another leader similar to the same respect I would have given an NCO.
The Air Force doesn't indoctrinate their people the same way the MC does. The MC wants you to live and breathe the Corps and want you to know the history of it. The Air Force just wants you to have a sharp attention to detail and to show up, do your job, then go home. The AF also pushes people to go to college constantly and to do volunteer events with the base and local community as much as possible.
The Marines teach you how I fight. The Air Force won't do that unless it is your job and is expected that you may come into contact with an adversary. The majority of airmen I have met have very limited weapons training (you probably fired more rounds in a day during Boot than many airmen have fired in their career).
Some MOS/AFSC are more close knit and have a stronger since of espirit de corp than others. Some jobs deploy a hell of a lot more. Some units with the same type of mission statement deploy more than others like it.
I've been deployed with both Airmen and Marines. To be honest, I'd rather be deployed with Marines because they bitch and moan less and they understand comraderie and how to have fun even if we're supposed to be having a crappy time.
Now, not everything is bad. The standard of living in the Air Force is a lot higher. Typically get fed better and get better barracks. Being an E-4 you probably wouldn't even be put in a dorm. We also typically have more of a heads up about deployments than what I saw with the Marines I've worked with. And when we do deploy we don't normally get put on a ship to take as to and from the AOR. Depending on the MAJCOM, base, and unit you're with you may get a good bit of down time to spend with your family.
To me, it's more about what you want from your career; do you want a strong sense of brotherhood or would you rather have a high standard of living. If you want to be a trigger pulling grunt, every branch has those so be open to looking at all of them. I know the AF Battlefield airmen like TACP, CCT, PJ, and SOWT are taken care of pretty well. Weigh your pros and cons. Not every patch of grass is greener on the otherside. I've actually considered changing branches so I can find a better sense of brotherhood and comraderie.
The Air Force doesn't indoctrinate their people the same way the MC does. The MC wants you to live and breathe the Corps and want you to know the history of it. The Air Force just wants you to have a sharp attention to detail and to show up, do your job, then go home. The AF also pushes people to go to college constantly and to do volunteer events with the base and local community as much as possible.
The Marines teach you how I fight. The Air Force won't do that unless it is your job and is expected that you may come into contact with an adversary. The majority of airmen I have met have very limited weapons training (you probably fired more rounds in a day during Boot than many airmen have fired in their career).
Some MOS/AFSC are more close knit and have a stronger since of espirit de corp than others. Some jobs deploy a hell of a lot more. Some units with the same type of mission statement deploy more than others like it.
I've been deployed with both Airmen and Marines. To be honest, I'd rather be deployed with Marines because they bitch and moan less and they understand comraderie and how to have fun even if we're supposed to be having a crappy time.
Now, not everything is bad. The standard of living in the Air Force is a lot higher. Typically get fed better and get better barracks. Being an E-4 you probably wouldn't even be put in a dorm. We also typically have more of a heads up about deployments than what I saw with the Marines I've worked with. And when we do deploy we don't normally get put on a ship to take as to and from the AOR. Depending on the MAJCOM, base, and unit you're with you may get a good bit of down time to spend with your family.
To me, it's more about what you want from your career; do you want a strong sense of brotherhood or would you rather have a high standard of living. If you want to be a trigger pulling grunt, every branch has those so be open to looking at all of them. I know the AF Battlefield airmen like TACP, CCT, PJ, and SOWT are taken care of pretty well. Weigh your pros and cons. Not every patch of grass is greener on the otherside. I've actually considered changing branches so I can find a better sense of brotherhood and comraderie.
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Sgt (Join to see)
It would be hard to let go of the mentality of everything Marine. I'all be honest: I haven't seen comraderie like this anywhere else even with Marines I meet on the fly. I'm so used to having to work more with less that at this point whatever the Air Force offers would be a blessing. But hey, I will weigh my pros and cons.
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The Air Force requires as much discipline as any other service. We need to end the myth that the Air Force is a soft service. Perhaps it is fair to say they require different qualities of discipline than other services. For example, when I was Navy enlisted, all I had to do was make it back to the ship alive after a heavy not of drinking. The chief would kick my rack and I would definitely be at muster call. There was no UCMJ involved. In the Air Force, you better be a grown up on day one and wake up to your own alarm clock or else your butt is getting kicked out next week. I remind my son of this as he aspires to enlist in the Air Force.
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IDK about the AF but I can tell you about the other branches. I was an 0341 in the Corp and joined the Army and become a 52D. What a change. The older Army guys, mostly combat vets who had higher rank I got along fine. The testosterone level with the lower ranks E-5 and below sucked. I went from Combat arms to mechanic. Not the same world. I felt many of the E-5 felt threaten by my take charge additive and can do spirit. So, there was a lot of sabotaging, back stabbing and under cutting that happened. Also, the E-5's in the Army were holding positions that and E-4 in the corp would have. Maybe a Lance Coolie could do. I got out and went Navy Corpseman and fought to stay in the hospital branch, however, it was boring and not as challenging as I was used to. So, I went Fleet corpseman assigned to Marines. I was back in the life and enjoyed my 8 years as a Corpseman. So, in hindsight, if your a hard charger, it may be a bit of a drag in some jobs you pick.
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PO3 Drew Ravani
I've heard the doc route for a lot of marines works really well for them - they get the other service culture, but back with the devil dogs, but have advancement opportunities above their peers in the USMC. Corpsman advancement with independent duty tends to be pretty accelerated, and its a job that directly correlates to civilian life anywhere in the world - people always need pecker checkers.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
So true... my husband, after getting out, was offered a Govt Contractor job in Germany, doing the exact same thing he did in the Marines, Now, keep in mind it was on a US Army base, which drove him nuts for several months. He'd hang his head and look utterly confused as he saw Sergeants doing jobs LCPL's were responsible for in the Corps, and the infuriating "We stick together" cliques that he found in the command where good people often ended up doing crap jobs because they didn't play politics that well... but then again, it could have been the base he was on, because it sounded so much different than it did when I was in the Army.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
My little brother, let us not forget the fact that, from day one, every Marine is taught a certain form of "Taking Charge." Come on, admit it, how many times did you compare rank, then date of rank when it came to working parties? When you're stuck with five other Marines on a crap detail, its always good to know if you are in charge by a day, or if you're the one at the bottom who is burning the crap with diesel, right?
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