Posted on Feb 15, 2018
SSG Rdt&E Nco
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The Bar to Reenlistment is an excellent rehabilitative tool when used correctly. I see it as a useful way to separate those who are willing to put in the work from those who just hope to skate by until the next PCS. I am sure every one of us has encountered a Soldier that has gotten by doing less than the minimum for so long they don't even know what right looks like anymore. In my experience, I haven't had a single Commander willing to go through with a bar even in cases where it was required by regulation. Is it a familiarity issue, or just too much work?
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SSG Trevor S.
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If you "haven't had a single Commander willing to go through with a bar", then it leads me to believe that you might be seeking a bar for Soldiers quite often. Maybe it's just a trick of language, but it just makes me think you are looking for ways to use a certain tool more than you are concentrating on mentoring your Soldiers so the tool is not needed.
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I have tried to initiate 4 bars at 2 commands with 3 different commanders that were mandatory by regulation: 2 for no family care plan (plenty of time and assistance provided) in both cases the soldier's had approved plans then fired their child care providers and didn't use the CDC to get stay home free days), 1 DUI, and 1 ABCP non-compliance. All those were as a BN Career Counselor. You pick those up when someone is trying to reenlist and you do an eligibility scrub. The other 3 I have suggested were for a Soldier that had habitual counseling and corrective training by thier NCOs before me and were at best argumentative or worst outright hostile when I implemented a "pre-bar" recovery plan. Another who told me outright that they didn't want to go to the board and refused to prepare. The last one refused to comply with the plan that was put in place after they demonstrated a habit of financial irresponsibility so bad that they asked for an AER loan while they already had an AER loan (got it before me and I found out the soldier needed cash to get home from vacation.) That one refused to comply with the pre-bar recovery plan and I PCSd soon after handing them off because they got promoted. I just see a lot of people throwing chapters and article 15s at soldiers and skipping the rehab. It's not a Career ender if used early and correctly.
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LTC Multifunctional Logistician
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SSG Stockemer- it may be just where you are. I know in III Corps at Forts Hood and Carson that we used them routinely.
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SSG Rdt&E Nco
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That could be it. I am MI, and I know some of our guys can't stand prolonged eye contact, so that could be the problem.
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LTC Multifunctional Logistician
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I'd definitely pull a Security Clearance then add the Bar.
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LTC Orlando Illi
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The Army has changed. I used the Bar to Reenlistment when I was a Company Commander. It either got someone's attention or it didn't. Their Choice - not mine.
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What is keeping commands from taking advantage of the Bar to Reenlistment?
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A BAR is no longer a rehabilitative action, it is a punitive action. The biggest issues I see when it comes to BARs is commanders are ignorant when it comes to what a bar actually is, and they have no idea how to process one. If your commander has an issue with the soldier and feel that they should no longer continue service, said commander should immediately contact the Career counselor of said battalion. A bar of continued service is a great way to weed out soldiers that are no longer fit for service.
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SSG Rdt&E Nco
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Yes.They just recently changed from administrative to punitive. The Bar still has to be supported with a recovery plan too, so it does more than a chapter/Article 15 by giving the Solider one last chance. Instead of just "putting the soldier on notice" it also shows that the Command is willing to show them how to get right.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Has it ever been rehabilitative? If I initiated a bar to re-enlist, it was because I thought the guy wasn't fit, for what ever reason, to continue in the Service. I thought of it being just short of discharging someone for cause.
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Untrainanble can be a reason for a bar, but ideally it is to be used in instances where a Soldier needs a stronger incentive to improve on problem behavior. It's not supposed to be used as a first resort or in lieu of other action such as NJP or actions that initiate an automatic chapter or admin action. Part of the bar is a plan for recovery.
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CPT Lawrence Cable - Sir, originally it was intended to be a rehabilitation tool. It was suppose to be a eye opener to informing the soldier that if s/he continued their current course they would no long be able to serve. The biggest changes are that it now effects careerists as well. If a BAR is not removed within 6mo, a commander must initiate separation it also will prevent a soldier from reentering service after discharge. That was not the case before.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Like everything a Commander has a lot on their plate. Bar's are a resource drain on everyone involved. I would rather see it as a streamlined process. Commanders get tied down in so many things that commitment to using that tool becomes one of never ending paperwork.
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SSG Rdt&E Nco
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I can see your point, but that is what NCOs are for. Ideally the whole supervisory chain is involved in rehabilitating Soldiers.
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A BAR is very streamlined. You submit a 4126 and any supporting documents, have the company and BN commander sign it, and done. I do not see an easier way to do it.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Ah yes the supporting documents, where do they come from? The NCO's and officers have to build that up to give to the Commander. If the Commander has to do it, then that drain returns.
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That's how I see it. I had conversations with commanders that revolved around them feeling responsible for the Soldier's future or family if they failed, and I don't get it. I take care of mine, and my Soldiers need to do the same.
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A commander should never feel responsible for soldiers family. If a soldier is failing to do his/her job sufficiently in a soldier should be barred. Don't get me wrong, a commander should always care for the soldier and his family, But A commander should never allow a subpar soldier to remain in the military
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