Posted on Sep 26, 2021
What is likely to be the punishment for a soldier who altered their profile?
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A soldier in my section has had real world shoulder problems his whole military career. I guess the PA lessened his restrictions over time. He felt the need to change something in his profile which surprised me because he really never was a bad soldier. Someone caught wind of it and I guess our company commander is going to handle it. What punishment is he likely to receive?
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When I was a SPC stationed in Italy a SGT in my company altered his own PU score on a record APFT. He changed a 3 to an 8 in order to get a passing score. His event grader, an SFC, ended up being the person inputting scores back at the company. The 1SG and CO notified. He was eventually reduced in rank to SPC in front of the whole company while he cried.
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CW2 Donald Loughrey
SSG Eric Blue - I have to agree. Reduction in rank done in formation is done for a reason. Shouldn't the soldier be ashamed? Actions have consequences. Just my opinion. I realize I served at a different time but the Army/Military should conduct its business in a way best for the Army/Military.
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Best guess... Article 15 for knowingly/willingly forging official document as well as false official statement (re: the aforementioned altered document). Additionally, likely to be flagged (for reenlistment bar) and a GOMAR established.
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Sgt M.A. M.
MAJ David Stokes - It's a good thing you're not currently serving being you're so consumed with "nut job" conspiracy stories.
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CWO4 Tim Hecht
Everyone - slowly breath in, slowly breath out. Time for some of you to back away from your keyboards and monitors and as they say: Shut the eff up.
This is about falsifying official records by a member how in the H E Double Hockey Sticks did this deteriorate into a political bashfest?
A1C DeVaney - I’ll tell you what’s different about President Clinton having illicit sex in the Oval Office; is (1) He lied about it and (2) He tried to have a Federal Judge he appointed declare that fellatio was not a sexual act. That’s the problem I had/have is his lack of integrity.
So in the Coast Guard the degree of punishment at an NJP would depend on the pay grade of the CO/OINC.
This is about falsifying official records by a member how in the H E Double Hockey Sticks did this deteriorate into a political bashfest?
A1C DeVaney - I’ll tell you what’s different about President Clinton having illicit sex in the Oval Office; is (1) He lied about it and (2) He tried to have a Federal Judge he appointed declare that fellatio was not a sexual act. That’s the problem I had/have is his lack of integrity.
So in the Coast Guard the degree of punishment at an NJP would depend on the pay grade of the CO/OINC.
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Depends what changing it effected the big picture. Could be as little as a negative counseling statement or an ART 15. It is an integrity issue and maybe finding a set of stairs that need cleaning and repainting with the Army values would be a good punishment. Something a good leader does is evaluate what works for rehab. Spanking stopped working with my son, then taking his video games away stopped but typing from the dictionary is so painful. The book does not need to be thrown at this soldier but something creative to remind this was a bad idea will work.
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CPO Gerald Burns
This entire problem is a hint of the problem in civilian world, many people now think the rules need to be changed just for them. When I was in 70's to 90's, I noticed that the longer I stayed in, the more I saw the military changing the rules to be "politically correct." We need to remember that the military's job is to fight wars. Obedience to rules and regulations is VITAL in a combat situation, a "politically correct" solution when enemy is involved is asking for problems. Stop coddling these people and get some honor and discipline back in the service. Just my comment, I miss the old military where a military member understood there was penalties for not following regulations and they were enforced.
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LTJG Kevin Matthews
SN Dale "CG" Veach - I'd take several things into consideration. This is a young trooper. They made a mistake. They were trying to improve their own situation and got caught. Are they remorseful? Resentful? Nonplussed? Do you ruin the career of an otherwise coachable and trainable individual because of a lapse in judgement? There is a time to fry someone to a crisp, but that should be reserved for serious offenses. Good servicemembers sometimes make bad decisions. And I don't know if you noticed, but all the services are having a hard time recruiting nowadays. Put the fear of GOD into this person, and if they learn their lesson, they come out a better servicemember. If not, time to start documenting and processing them for discharge.
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Cpl Len Rybicki
CPO Gerald Burns - Well said. This is the military, not the Boy Scouts or a church social group. There are rules and regulations to be followed. You must conform to them, they don’t get bent to make you feel comfortable. Damn, maybe back in ‘72 I should have told the Drill Instructors at Parris Island to lower their voice and let me sleep late.
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SSG Brian G.
SFC Antonio Baird - Then you use that as an additional teaching moment. Leading is about more than just knowing and enforcing regulations without question or thought. There has to be some wisdom in there and the ability to think outside of the box.
The SM could recommend UCMJ action and in that they would not be wrong. But are we training them to lead or to be rules automotons?
The SM could recommend UCMJ action and in that they would not be wrong. But are we training them to lead or to be rules automotons?
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