Posted on Jul 9, 2017
What is the command policy or AR reference to leadership forcing soldiers to spend money?
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One of my close friends is dealing with leadership issues where he is being forced to get haircuts every week even though his haircut is within refs under AR and DA-PAM 670-1. I'm trying to figure out how this can be avoided so he doesn't go broke. TM.
DA Pam 670-1
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Grooming Standards
Army Regulations
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4 haircuts a month at $10 (?) a pop...good looking out for your fellow soldier but maybe his finances need to be looked at closer if $40 is threatening him with bankruptcy.
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SGT (Join to see)
No idea on prices actually anymore, just bumped it up to make a point. If it's less, than this soldiers finances are an even bigger worry. I have been shaving my head for the last 5 years to stay within regs and save money...
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That's about 13 Monsters or Rockstars, 4 Dominos Pizzas, 7-8 Burger King Meals. I wonder how many of those the Soldier gets each month. With housing and sustenance paid for (and yet sometimes it sucks so bad that you end up spending extra money on food...but not every day), I also wonder about the spending priorities of this nearly bankrupt soldier.
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There is no AR cite for something that does not exist.
You can find no AR paragraph that forbids a commander from requiring an SM to buy a baby zebra.
Ar670-1 Male Hair
(2) Male haircuts. The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance. The hair must present a tapered appearance. A tapered appearance is one where the outline of the Soldier’s hair conforms to the shape of the head (see scalp line in figure 3–1), curving inward to the natural termination point at the base of the neck. When the hair is combed, it will not fall over the ears or eyebrows, or touch the collar, except for the closely cut hair at the back of the neck. The block-cut fullness in the back is permitted to a moderate degree, as long as the tapered look is maintained. Males are not authorized to wear braids, cornrows, or dreadlocks (unkempt, twisted, matted, individual parts of hair) while in uniform, or in civilian clothes on duty. Haircuts with a single, untapered patch of hair on the top of the head (not consistent with natural hair loss) are considered eccentric and are not authorized. Examples include, but are not limited to, when the head is shaved around a strip of hair down the center of the head (mohawk), around a u-shaped hair area (horseshoe), or around a patch of hair on the front top of the head (tear drop). Hair that is completely shaved or trimmed closely to the scalp is authorized. (See figs 3–1 and 3–2.)
Now specifically "The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance"
You will not find the words " neatly groomed" , "excessive " "present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance" Defined in the AR, there fore they mean what the reader interprets them to mean.
If the reader interprets "The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance" to require a weekly hair cut to comply... then thats what it takes.
You may disagree, bring the issue to the COC, if that does not resolve the issue, go see IG, they will investigate and advise the CDR.. be advised they can not ORDER the CDR to do anything... only a more senior CDR can do that...
SPC (Join to see) "I'm trying to figure out how this can be avoided so he doesn't go broke."
Well Im trying to figure out how getting a hair cut weekly (something I did for 28 years 7 months E-1 to E9) is cause your friend to go broke.. I call BS.
And if this friend has truly mismanaged his finances so bad that he can not afford a weekly haircut... Buy a pair of clippers and cut his own hair or have a buddy do it. One time expenditure of $30 and no more spending $9 weekly to get a hair cut.
You can find no AR paragraph that forbids a commander from requiring an SM to buy a baby zebra.
Ar670-1 Male Hair
(2) Male haircuts. The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance. The hair must present a tapered appearance. A tapered appearance is one where the outline of the Soldier’s hair conforms to the shape of the head (see scalp line in figure 3–1), curving inward to the natural termination point at the base of the neck. When the hair is combed, it will not fall over the ears or eyebrows, or touch the collar, except for the closely cut hair at the back of the neck. The block-cut fullness in the back is permitted to a moderate degree, as long as the tapered look is maintained. Males are not authorized to wear braids, cornrows, or dreadlocks (unkempt, twisted, matted, individual parts of hair) while in uniform, or in civilian clothes on duty. Haircuts with a single, untapered patch of hair on the top of the head (not consistent with natural hair loss) are considered eccentric and are not authorized. Examples include, but are not limited to, when the head is shaved around a strip of hair down the center of the head (mohawk), around a u-shaped hair area (horseshoe), or around a patch of hair on the front top of the head (tear drop). Hair that is completely shaved or trimmed closely to the scalp is authorized. (See figs 3–1 and 3–2.)
Now specifically "The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance"
You will not find the words " neatly groomed" , "excessive " "present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance" Defined in the AR, there fore they mean what the reader interprets them to mean.
If the reader interprets "The length and bulk of the hair may not be excessive or present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance" to require a weekly hair cut to comply... then thats what it takes.
You may disagree, bring the issue to the COC, if that does not resolve the issue, go see IG, they will investigate and advise the CDR.. be advised they can not ORDER the CDR to do anything... only a more senior CDR can do that...
SPC (Join to see) "I'm trying to figure out how this can be avoided so he doesn't go broke."
Well Im trying to figure out how getting a hair cut weekly (something I did for 28 years 7 months E-1 to E9) is cause your friend to go broke.. I call BS.
And if this friend has truly mismanaged his finances so bad that he can not afford a weekly haircut... Buy a pair of clippers and cut his own hair or have a buddy do it. One time expenditure of $30 and no more spending $9 weekly to get a hair cut.
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SFC Robert Walton
As PFC in the 70's I actually went and got my PLT SGT. and ask him to go with me for my haircut because It was not getting cut like I wanted. That solved that problem.
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SGT Randall Smith
In Germany in 1966 we could buy coupons at the barber shop, 4 coupons for $2.00 and get a haircut every Friday. With out the coupon it was $1.00 each haircut. When you made $82.00 a month before all the deductions and you were dead broke by the 18 of month every penning counted. We had the KP fund deducted, United Way deducted, Soldiers & Sailors Relief fund deducted and taxes. If lucky you had $65.00 when you left the pay line.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGT Randall Smith I joined in 1984
As a PVT E1 I had more taken in taxes then you got paid
Lol
And I can’t be for sure but I seem to remember a haircut being $6.95 at the barbershop
So about $21 a month because Monday morning you best have a fresh haircut or proof that east Germans had held you captive over the weekend And you were released getting back to post less than five minutes prior to first call formation
As a PVT E1 I had more taken in taxes then you got paid
Lol
And I can’t be for sure but I seem to remember a haircut being $6.95 at the barbershop
So about $21 a month because Monday morning you best have a fresh haircut or proof that east Germans had held you captive over the weekend And you were released getting back to post less than five minutes prior to first call formation
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SSG (Join to see)
Yep, was going to say the same thing.
Getting your haircut, even once a week, shouldn't make you go broke. But if it's that big of an issue for the SM, buy a set of clippers.
Getting your haircut, even once a week, shouldn't make you go broke. But if it's that big of an issue for the SM, buy a set of clippers.
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When I was in, it was a rare thing indeed that you did not have a barracks barber or 8 within the unit. sometimes you paid him with a beer, but usually in a tight knit unit, others would see this, and he would give you the hookup and keep you taken care of. In fact the only time I actually went to the post barber was for my promotion board, and my PSG sprung for that (his own personal policy for soldiers going to the boards)
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SGT (Join to see)
Same. One dude buys the clippers, and you just trim the wolf neck every Sunday. Only really need a professional barber every 3-4 weeks, depending on how fast you grow.
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SPC (Join to see)
We had NCO’s doing house calls to cut for $30+ plus a cut; no clue how some of these guys afforded it.
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