Posted on Sep 26, 2020
SPC Josh Tharp
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With the approval of my hearing waiver for the Kentucky National Guard, I was able to reenlist as a 42A!

That being said, I was informed that at my first RSP drill on 10/18, i will be given an APFT based on the previous test and standard.

In my preparation to reenlist, i was preparing for the new test running time, while putting my focus primarily on other events.

That being said, i need to drop the last 2-3 minutes to get my run time to 1818 by 10/18.

I know the common response is just run and I plan to run 6 days a week until testing; however, I would like to do it in the most advantageous way possible.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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Running 6 days a week is the time tested guaranteed way to earn yourself an overuse injury. Even advanced runners don’t run 6 times a week. Unless you are an elite runner, or running under an experienced running coach, you should never be running more than three times a week.

The Fuhrman Institute for Running First 5K plan is an excellent running plan from a school that is famous for their running program. It bases your pace for these runs off your current pace. I’ve used it multiple times, I guarantee you’ll see improvement.

Your unit can administer an APFT, but nothing bad can come of you failing it. On OCT 1st there will no longer be an APFT, and commanders are not allowed to flag Soldiers who fail the ACFT.

https://t3triteam.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/furman-1st-5k-program.pdf
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SPC Josh Tharp
SPC Josh Tharp
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SFC (Join to see) Thank you very much for this program! I will certainly check it out. I've been using the Runcoach app but if there is a great alternative that doesnt cost money that is even better!

Is there a difference from an Army viewpoint of punishment or flag, and the approval of an advantageous request such as ADOS orders or BLC school for example? Meaning while they may not be able to actually use the pt test as an official reason for no - would it be likely for it to be viewed as strengthening the case to find another reason or no need for a reason to deny those actions?
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SPC Josh Tharp you can’t be flagged and go to school like NCOES. If you’re placed on ADOS it’s because the NG needs you on ADOS not because you want to be. BLC is an Army requirement which means you absolutely will go as long as you’re qualified
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Interval training will do more for you speed, you can go to Runners World and find a number of different programs. Unless you have been running pretty steadily, I would only run 3 to 4 days a week. In fact, with the new program, I would probably run 3 days a week and weight train 2 days. That leaves 2 days as rest periods.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Intervals: I second that.
Alternating days as CPT Lawrence Cable and SFC (Join to see) suggest is the way to go. I

would only submit that a way to do intervals is with the Body for Life Program. The saw tooth intervals are very useful.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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LTC Jason Mackay - I would add that if he hasn't done so yet, stop at a store that specializes in running shoes and let them get a shoe that fits your step and stride. Back in the days when I was running 30 to 40 miles a week, I developed shin splints to a degree that it was starting to be painful to walk. A friend told me it was probably my shoes, I ran in the cheapest running shoe I could find. I stopped at a sports store that specialized in athletic shoes and they hooked me up with some shoes that corrected the fact that I over pronate. Shin Splints went away and never had problems again, and never bought cheap running shoes again either.
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Can't agree with this more CPT Lawrence Cable , also, don't forget, shoes are like tires in they will wear out. While not exact, make sure to follow the recommendations
as to when you should replace them as well. This is usually expressed in miles.
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As stated by others, I believe the old standard cannot be used. If true that would be an automatic waiver for that particular requirement. The real issue here is you stamina, you should really work on that run time anyway, units will still PT and that would put you well behind the formation. Conditioning runs with intervals for 3 miles once a week on Saturday, wind sprints once a week on Wednesday and push yourself twice a week for a set pace try to drop at least a minute every two weeks. Even if you can’t hold the pace for two miles, set it as if you can. If you run out of gas before two miles integrate sprints in between slow jog. Hopefully we are right about the APFT, you would need two to three months to trim that kind of time. In closing, make sure you have no underlying health issues before trying anyone else’s plan.
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SPC Josh Tharp
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Thank you very much CSM Darieus ZaGara!
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What is the fastest way to improve 2 mile run time?
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Do 60-120s and actually push yourself incorporate it twice a week with a 3-6mi. Run once a week. This will sound bad but you should be sick by the end of the 60-120s.. but you will start cutting time. Make sure to hydrate!
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60-120s and 30:60’s intervals do more for cutting down run times than just running 2 miles frequently.
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what I hear you asking is, how do I run faster? IOT run faster, you have to practice running faster. If you want to run slow, then run long and slow...
So start doing speed work. 100m x 8-12 then progress to 200m x 8-10, then progress to 400m up to 8 reps. this may take a few weeks of running 2-3 times per week.
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so you are currently running 20 plus two mile time? I hope this is a wake up call to maintain so its not a crunch to improve. Your job is to stay combat ready.. a couple miles a week should be sufficient to sustain. I love sprints to reduce my times.. but mix in some longer runs for stamina and for the mental aspect. I would do a three miler or more at least once a week and three to four days of sprints. Im not a scientist but thats what works for me to max my run. Run on a treadmill with a mirror in front of you so you can study your form and make improvements.
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SPC Josh Tharp
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2LT Brian L. Today I did a baseline 2 mile run at 1958, then did two miles of run the straights and walk the corners for another 2 miles.

I was just working to standard prior to pulling back a month ago. Prior to a month ago, I was doing weight training and running 5-6 times a week. I dropped from 25+ to 2057.

A month of nearly entirely solely pullup and core work (for the leg tuck in the ACFT), I did today's run because of renewed focus on the 2 mile run and the target moving from 20 to 1818.

I did fail to maintain and that is my fault.
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SPC Josh Tharp
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2LT Brian L. I'm not sure what I would be looking for in my form or what I would do to improve it? I have reached out to my recruiter about putting me in contact with the master fitness instructor for our state and she will get me that information on Monday.

Can you help me know what to look for and remedies? Or point me in the direct of a reputable resource to do so?

Thank you so much!
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2LT Brian L.
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I honestly wish that I could help more.. I hate running but I pretend that I love it. I subscribe to runners magazines because I feel like if I get one effective tip its worth it. I literally will chant "I love running" while I run. That aside some things that I commonly see with form.. head up, once the brain quits the body follows but that also aligns your respiratory system, control your breathing once the breathing wins you lose, a lot of people struggle with the cross body arm swing... make sure your arms never come more center than your nipples, arms swinging diagonally create motion that isn't forward in the desired direction that you have to work harder to fight oh and swing your arms... slight lean forward and try to land midsole to balls of your foot to allow your body to absorb the shock effectively. Again I hate running and am not an expert but this stuff generally works for me and my Soldiers.. if my 46 year old ass can dip into the high 13's from time to time you can def drop a few minutes and stay there... run out of spite and bitterness .. it works for me. This is SSG Laitila from a non signed in page.
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SPC Josh Tharp Good morning the APFT is no longer the test of the military. I will have to find the memo. But basically as of Sep 30, 2020 the APFT will no longer be conducted. I will find it and post it here later.
Now about the running, their is no fast way to drop your time. To do it right you need about a month to two months. Running everyday will give you shin splints cause your body is not used to it.

I do a regular run on Monday, Intervals Wednesday, and a Long run say 4-5 miles on Friday. You have to build up your endurance otherwise you will burn yourself out. Recommend the Nike App. I have had great success with it.

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https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/acft/army_directive_2020_06_acft.pdf
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SPC Josh Tharp
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SFC Steven Borders Thank you for your reply and the memo.

I have read and understand the memo.

It seems like I have two options as a newly reenlisted soldier:

1. Show up for my first weekend, debate the memo and then take which pt is decided on

2. Bust my tail, take the pt test and pass it

Option 2 seems better for me especially since an improved time makes both tests better, plus I've been vocal about ADOS orders which I've been made aware by two recruiters and the career counselor of MEPS that 42A ADOS orders are widely available throughout Kentucky.

I'd really like those ADOS orders to lead to an AGR slot as well.

Until a month ago, I was running and weights 5-6 times a week to prepare for the ACFT. Once my run time got within striking distance of passing that event, I focused on the leg tuck exclusively as my weak event.

Today I did a baseline two miles at 1958 with two more miles of work after running straights and walking curves on the track.

I'm determined to make an 1818 run nlt 10/18 because I really want to make a good first impression at my new unit.
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I was a competitive distance runner back in the day. As far as the training that will do the best for you is going to depend upon you individually. For distance running, the first rule is to run enough volume that you will not injure yourself. For some of the most gifted athletes, that's over 120 miles per week after years of building up to it. For some people that are more prone to injury, 9 miles per week for three days spread out can almost be too much. The one thing to remember no matter where you are on that continuum, you'll need to build up from a smaller manageable volume to a higher volume, so your body can adjust.
Lots of people like to talk about interval training, and it is a great way to get improvement rapidly, but you will see the rapid improvement for a limited period of time. I found from my experience the improvement typically ran its course in 9-12 weeks. Long Slow Distance(LSD) takes much longer to see improvements, but you can continue to see it pay off for years. Intervals are a prioritization tool to help sharpen you leading up to a peak performance, while LSD at a volume you can handle, is something you should always use.
There are other training types (tempo short and long, cruise intervals, steady state, repeats) you could incorporate, however I believe they are better reserved for a competitive distance runners who are focusing on pushing themselves as far as possible. For the vast majority of SMs, LSD will be adequate for just your 2 mile run event. The other events require additional training, which are out of scope for this discussion but can definitely have positive effects on overall fitness and potentially run time.
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For me the best way to prep is a 4 day routine:
Day 1:2 mins pushups and situps, drop to your knees if you cant push for full 2 mins
Day 2: full diagnostic apft with no rest between events so 2 mins pushups, 2 mins situps, 2mr for time
Day 3: run day, go for a 2-3 mile run add 60-120s for 2nd/3rd mile
Day 4:rest
Rinse and repeat. Gets me 260+ consistently. Rest days are important, running 6 days a week will just put you in the running for an overuse injury. Dont forget to actively warm up prior to running and passive stretch AFTER
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